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: Side Saddle Tying


RayStachelek
03-26-2004, 03:56 PM
Side Saddle Tying (SST)
Side Hackle Flies

Benefits

Large profile flies tied sparse without the bulky materials for ease of casting/balance with fast tip technology rods.
Cone spreader alleviates the saddle hackles from joining together when wet.
Can now utilize more of saddle hackles than neck hackles for tantalizing action.
Can be weight balanced if desired to control sink rates by changing cone sizes.
http://castaflycharters.com/SSTcloseup2a.jpg
http://castaflycharters.com/SST%20contruction%20step%202a.jpg

flyfreak
03-26-2004, 05:34 PM
Sick Pics Ray !!!
Very Nice !!
What size and type of hook ?
What size cone ?
Did you have to crimp the barb ?

It looks sweet !

Penguin
03-26-2004, 05:40 PM
Less PHILLING...Tastes GREAT!
'Word is, there are some hungry Schnauzers on the CT coast...
These flys look like a sure thing...
Thanks for the inspiration!

RayStachelek
03-29-2004, 07:53 PM
Those of us who have been fly tying for any length of time start to get obsessive-compulsive about fly design. We take our fish proven flies and tweak Ďem; often-making slight improvements that reap better performances. Perhaps itís just a different color combination or tying material. Whatever the reason, we do not sit idle and be complacent about it.

What Iíve tied to do with the side saddle tying was not solely design a new fly but make design improvement for the implementation /action of saddle hackles. The bead spreader was one idea to add separation between saddle hackles. Changing size-weighted cones too will effect sink rates and buoyancy. There is a lot of area to play around here. Using an Easy Body spreader, the fly becomes more neutral in the water column. Cutting off a slice of Styrofoam body and adding it to the rear of the hook makes the fly ride higher at the surface.

In the baitfish sequence, Iíve tied the hackles flat against the hook in the same direction. Squid patterns, the hackles could be tied radial around the spreader to be perpendicular to the centerline. The fly shown previous has the tail feathers tied in at the flat wing position? I like this position better due to the fact the tail feathers are perpendicular to the side saddle hackles. This might help reduce fowling. They could also be tied in prayer style as well.

Hereís one missing step that you might not see in the finished photo. (See attached photo below) There is bunny hackles used forward the spreader prior to bucktail added.
http://castaflycharters.com/SST%20contruction%20step%204a.jpg

RayStachelek
03-29-2004, 08:08 PM
flyfreak.... Thanks!!!!

Them dar hooks are Tiemco 811S 4/0. Any standard length hook will do. You don't have to de-barb them either to slip the cone head on, but it makes sense.

Not sure on the bead sizes. They come from a RI distributor. Can e-mail you the informtion. You can find them in most shops.

striblue
03-29-2004, 09:27 PM
Ray... That is one bueatiful fly and I like the technique...wish I thought of it... also the Pictures are truly remarkable and clear.

RayStachelek
03-29-2004, 09:45 PM
John.... I am not worthy to tie your sandals with 6/0 tying silk. Nor even walk in your footprints at South Beach.

Trying on the Phaz.... now that' another story.

Elise truely loves your crab pattern at the Willmington Show.

Great stuff.

striblue
03-29-2004, 11:31 PM
My footprints you can find..... It's Juro's you can not.

FishHawk
03-30-2004, 06:38 AM
Nice work Ray as the kids say"You da man". These should be real killers. FishHawk:D

Penguin
03-30-2004, 09:43 AM
The flys are really swell...but your photos are special!
Great composition, lighting, colour, and detail...!
What are you using to capture the magic??? :confused:

striblue
03-30-2004, 09:48 AM
I am with penguin here... What is the configuration of the picture. I still take mine with the Maximum pixels... then reduce it to about 4 by 3 inchs because they get rejected if they are any bigger... so I am curious how you were able to post such large and clear photo...Can you give us your camera settings and if you use Photshop to do anything? Thanks Ray.

juro
03-30-2004, 09:52 AM
Nice stuff Ray!

John -

His images are hosted on his own website, thus the size limits are not restricted to a forum server (he is the only user on his own site). If ya think about it, your website will be the same situation! :)

Ray -

I recall some online discussions about thin wire high-strength alloy hooks vs. thick wire. It's good to see you've come over to my side of the fence on that matter with the 811s, an incredible thin wire hook :devil: ;)

striblue
03-30-2004, 10:25 AM
Thanks Juro..I understand. Sounds good.

RayStachelek
03-30-2004, 03:31 PM
Juro's the wiz tech'ie when it come to explaning how images can be vaporized in a wire and brought to life.

He's right!, I do post them from my web site. I guess they are stored in a passive file not html to my active web pages. That's my amateaur explanation.

John......Once you get your web site up and going I expect a lot of us would like to see a complete step by step of your best ideas.

Pete.... I deal in the world of the unknown... Mirrors, smoked glass, and reflections. Most of my photograpy express my imagination mainly from the sixties. For instance, this cover fly (on this tread was photographed in the bathroom. Completely dark, I placed the fly suspended on a piece of clear plastic wrap in the toilet bowl. You make two holes in the cover itself. One large hole one for the camera lense, the other for a pen light source. Close the cover than shoot. That's all.
Sh...t happens!

flyfisha1
03-30-2004, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by RayStachelek
John......Once you get your web site up and going I expect a lot of us would like to see a complete step by step of your best ideas.

Yes, we would!

Originally posted by RayStachelek
Pete.... I deal in the world of the unknown... Mirrors, smoked glass, and reflections. Most of my photograpy express my imagination mainly from the sixties. For instance, this cover fly (on this tread was photographed in the bathroom. Completely dark, I placed the fly suspended on a piece of clear plastic wrap in the toilet bowl. You make two holes in the cover itself. One large hole one for the camera lense, the other for a pen light source. Close the cover than shoot. That's all.
Sh...t happens!

Now that's quite an original concept in photography! Great pattern!

saltydog
03-30-2004, 03:55 PM
RAY, one word-------> SWEET
GOOD LUCK GOOD TYIN:smokin:

CRegalis
06-22-2004, 09:49 PM
Absolutely beautiful. I have got to learn that one! :)