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: Most useful all-around single-hander


flyfisha1
03-22-2004, 12:13 PM
If you had to choose a rod weight that would be useful in a greater number of fishing situations than any other rod weight, which would it be? In other words, to fish for the majority of freshwater and in-shore gamefish species, which one rod weight would you choose for this purpose, and why?

My choice would be an 8-weight. I think that an 8-wt. gives the angler the greatest range of species to chase, from freshwater bass, pike, and trout to bones and mid-sized in-shore species (blues, stripers, weakfish, crevalle jacks, snapper, snook, reds, and small tarpon).

Dble Haul
03-22-2004, 12:46 PM
I thought of the 8 weight before I even read your response. Although it would be a bit heavy for trout and panfish and a bit undergunned for larger coastal species, it seems to be the right compromise.

Chris, did you vote? I only saw my vote for the 8 weight in the poll.

flyfisha1
03-22-2004, 12:51 PM
Nope, I forgot to! Okay, now my vote's up there.

I know what you mean regarding panfish and trout, but I figured that for practically every other mid-sized species the 8 is the way to go.

Dble Haul
03-22-2004, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by flyfisha1


I know what you mean regarding panfish and trout, but I figured that for practically every other mid-sized species the 8 is the way to go.

Agreed. ;)

OC
03-22-2004, 05:20 PM
I would have to say 7wt though my first thought was 8wt. There seems to be a big difference to me anyway between a 7 and an 8. A 7wt seems a lot closer to a 6wt than it does to an 8wt. With an 8wt one can cast a fairly decent sinktip if need be but I've yet found a 7 wt that will. But I can't imagine casting an 8wt to a Henery's Fork surface feeding trout with 6 or 7x tippet but I think one could get by with like a Winston BL5 7wt and make it work a bit. I could fish summer steelhead all day with a 7wt and I could fish bait chasing schoolies all day with the 7wt. If one got over his head in a mismatch and the fight is too long just break the fish off. All 8wts have a butt section on the rod but only a few 7wts as far as I know have one. For fish under 15 pounds I don't think you need one anyway. The more I think of it the more we need a 6.5 wt and a 7.5 wt rod. The key is a 7wt will fish a light tippet still handle a good fish about the same as an 8wt. The 8wt just won't fish delicate water or soft fish.

FrenchCreek
03-22-2004, 06:32 PM
I'm with OC on this one, more so becasue of trout being in the mix. Anything above a 7 wt. will not handle some of the delicate presentations on trout. However, that "multi-Task" 7 wt. better be of a higher quality to handle the larger fish! A cheapo rod just would not give the versatility!

Hammer
03-23-2004, 12:56 AM
cheep 8 wt. then i could abuse it and get even for the money spent on high end 6 wt.s,carry it in the drifter when fishing non-fly folks to show em' whatsup,and keep it lined in the back of the suburban for the `drivebye shootings',plus being able to buy one accross from the local `hole' in case of breakage really makes it a done deal,pfleuger,,,?,uh,,,,well,,the green ones,,,guess i'd better shut up,,been two handing it and ,,uh,,well,,did i mention the ability to pick up 60-+ ft. of line in a boat,the availa,-;)

Moose
03-23-2004, 07:29 AM
...is any rod with a high enough resale value to get me another 2 hander!:devil:

fredaevans
03-23-2004, 01:23 PM
If 'only one,' (specifically) the Sage 8100 xp. Over gunned for somethings, under gunned for others. But you can handle very large fish on an 8wt ... and still have fun with smaller summer runs if need be.

A 10' 8wt seems to be the major rod of choice with the best one-handers here on the Rogue for year round fishing.

old man
03-23-2004, 01:48 PM
I would of voted except you left off the 5wt. That is my summer go to rod I don't fish with anything bigger in the warm months.

Jim

flyfisha1
03-23-2004, 02:02 PM
You fish saltwater with a 5-wt? :confused:

Eddie
03-23-2004, 02:10 PM
hmmm...thankfully I don't have to make that choice, but I might go with a very fast 6wt. Fishing for trout with anything more isn't that much fun. Most bone fish and school stripers are easily landed on a 6wt and since it's really fast, you could always throw a seven on it if you needed to throw clousers or small poppers. Except for the bigger striper flys, and hair bugs, i think I could cast most flys on a six.
A "soft" seven like the BL-5(R.I.P.) is a good call too. I have a 9' #7LT (not as soft as the BL5) that is a sweet heart. I have caught brown trout up to 16#s on it, and it is one of my favorite warmwater rods. I love that rod.

FishHawk
03-23-2004, 05:59 PM
I love a 7 wt rod. Has plenty of backbone for large flies and yet can still deliver a delicate fly. I have fished for trout that I call "Baby Heads" because their head is a large as a small baby on the Mighty Missouri in Montana. Once you see one of these trout you'll know what I'm talking about . I use the odd line weight line system for my rods. Ex. 5wt, 7wt, 9wt.
FishHawk

old man
03-23-2004, 09:33 PM
Nobody said this was strictly salt water. It started out fresh water and inshore fishing and my choice of rod for that is a 5wt. Salt water is another story and for that I use a 6wt in the summer. Also in the summer and it depends where I'm at I will use a 4 wt.

I only have a few rods as I don't feel the need to have one for every different type of fishing. So I will stick with what works for me.

Jim

flyfisha1
03-23-2004, 10:03 PM
Interesting; I would never dream of taking a 5-wt. to fish in-shore species, as the risk of hooking something and not being able to land it within a safe amount of time would be too great. Additionally, the size of flies able to cast any appreciable distance would be pretty small. Perhaps that's just a difference in the fisheries between our home waters.

striblue
03-23-2004, 10:24 PM
I would say, for me, My 7 wt rods.. I have a stiff, T&T Vector and soft Scott Eclipes and will use them in the early spring for stripers.

striblue
03-23-2004, 10:24 PM
I would say, for me, My 7 wt rods.. I have a stiff, T&T Vector and soft Scott Eclipes and will use them in the early spring for stripers.

SDHflyfisher
03-23-2004, 10:34 PM
6 for me cause i am more of a trout and bass guy and if i'm lucky i get out once for stripers and blues on long island sound

old man
03-24-2004, 12:01 PM
Well I've hooked and landed some big Chum Salmon with a 5wt on the Skagit River fishing for dollies. I see no problem with that size rod And my tippet size was about 8 lbs. If the fish is too big I just break it off. I just fish for fun. If I catch something or not I don't really care.

Jim

Moonlight
03-24-2004, 04:06 PM
Durable and capable yet light enough to enjoy smaller sea run Cutthroats. One of my favorite summer rods is an old Bamboo 7wt by Bill Phillipson the one I like the most was owned first by a fellow in Conneticut and he bought it brand new in 1949. I was then one year old! :)

Maxg
04-02-2004, 11:30 PM
I agree with Moose, anything from 17# to 1# as long as it sells for enough money to get another 12'4" 8/9# Loop double hander.
Preferably a Greenline and the appropiate Loop adaptive head and tip. Or a few SA T40's.
All of which means there isn't a best 9 footer, its all myth, but there is a best double hander, which fits everything, fresh to salt.
Cherers Max

Stir, Joke VBG.

juro
04-03-2004, 06:29 AM
TIC...

Max it's good to see you've come down from the 15ft position down to 12'6" ;)

As you know I am a huge two-handed proponent BUT there is no substitute for a sweet little single hander where and when it is called for.

7' 3" 4wt light trout rod, 8' 6" 5wt, 9' 7wt. 9' 6" 8wt, 9' 9wt, 9' 10wt - all on my must-have list for their applications.

I do however own twice as many two-handers :p

The question is which single hander? I have to say... it's impossible to have just one :devil:

Maxg
04-03-2004, 07:46 PM
Ah but you guys were talking about the "most useful", and "light" and a 15' Talon is not the most useful, nor is it light. Since I don't fish for trout, introduced feral rubbish out here, I can't think of a place I'd use a light fly rod in 9 foot in salt water. No a light double hander in 12 foot is another matter entirely. I have 9 foters but I havent put a reel on one in a year. Max

juro
04-03-2004, 10:18 PM
SWFF -

I'm 85% flats sight fisherman and 15% big surf and rip currents here on Cape Cod's striped bass flats, so the single hander still has an important role in my arsenal... but lately I've been playing with super-light 10.5-11ft 9wt prototypes that cast just like throwing darts for accuracy in the sight fishing game on the flats while also making longer casts with easy effort when needed. They are so light (just over 7oz) that overhand casting with a double haul is easy as well.

It's redefining the way I sight fish on the flats. I will have them on some bonefish flats for some field testing prior to the striper season. Randall Kaufmann states in his book that bonefishing is mostly 30ft casts made for accuracy. I have to agree with that assessment. I've been really surprised at how an 11ft rod can throw laser beam casts with accuracy even across the body (to deal with wind) with eyes focused on the fish and no movement of the feet or legs to make the cast.

Two-handers as flats rods? I wouldn't have believed it myself until Nobuo sent me this last prototype!

Maxg
04-04-2004, 06:58 AM
Isn't it marvellous what technical innovation does for one. I've been blasted for my radical ideas about dh outfits for flats fishing but the reality is that they are just beeter. Just better. Max

juro
04-04-2004, 08:28 AM
Really?

What are your ideas on DH on the flats? I am a big proponent and would be interested in any ideas you'd have.

Maxg
04-04-2004, 02:01 PM
Well I'm not a flats fly fisherman, but from the stuff I've done I think distance is relative to the height of the tip above the water, and a DH rod gives a longer cast, and that means greater coverage, if you are fishing for area. If you are wading flats looking for fish and casting to them the range is not that long, and you can roll cast DH rods in the 12' class very accurately, and quickly. From a position of knee deep in water, or deeper, your vision is not that long, and even polaroiding you aren't looking for fish 120 feet away, mostly its 50 feet or so.
If you want to go to excesses you might try a 14 footer, but I rather think a rod in the 12' class would be great stuff. I know my Loop is fabulous. Fact is it's a 8/9 weight and I detest the idea of 9 footers in that class. I have a 10' 9# TFO, but thats it.
If I fish the local estuary flats, I'm looking for flathead mostly and its all blind casting and coverage, ease of casting and fly retrieve speed can be critical. Added to this is the fact that you can choose to go out there and overhead cast or you can simply roll cast the thing. With roll casting you get rid of shooting line management which is a serious problem with 9 footers. In fact with DH outfits I think that a lot of the problems one has with 9 footers just do not occur.
If you fish out of boats, I think the same applies, even though you might be a bit higher off the water. In any case longer casts might be just what the doctor ordered.
I have chased a few tuna in my time and quite often a longer casting outfit will get you at skittish fish wheras a 9 footer is a bit of a bummer because of the time needed to get enough line velocity to get a longer cast.
I just think that the DH potential is virtually unplumbed, even by gurus, and its in it's infancy around here.
What I find is that getting lines is a serious problem and most are geared towards Spey casting, even with the overhead system the lines are still like rope. Thats why I like the T40, its thin, heavy, fits a 9# DH rod like a glove and casts like a rocket and sinks like a brick. Personally I hate floating and intermediate lines of any kind. I much prefer fast sinking heads. Max