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: Heron Feathers?


Philster
10-21-2003, 06:33 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3632082936&category=7299

I'm stunned...

BCOrchidGuy
10-21-2003, 11:55 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, aren't Herons protected?

Does this guy sell Bald Eagle feathers too?

Doug

sinktip
10-22-2003, 10:02 AM
Some Herons are protected and some others are not. If I understand this correctly, the feathers you are seeing on e-bay are not from Blue Herons and are not protected. My guess is they are also grown in an aviary for this purpose.

I am sure that more informed members will chime in with a more detailed explanation.

Bob Pauli
10-22-2003, 12:25 PM
The ebay posting says the feathers are from an aviary, and not from protected Great Blue Herons.

Philster
10-22-2003, 12:41 PM
I was under the impression that the blue is only the tip of the iceberg, and that importation of, and handling of the feathers of a variety of asian species is also illegal, even domestically grown. I am quite used to being wrong. Been wrong most of my life, but these feathers smell dangerous to me.

sinktip
10-22-2003, 12:46 PM
Philster,

This issue came up a year or so ago. A search here or on teh spey pages will bring up quite a bit of info.

'tip

jimandre
10-22-2003, 12:50 PM
Depending where they come from they are protected by c.i.t.e.s.......some can be imported by permits.......be carful who you buy from ........

flytyer
10-22-2003, 06:36 PM
If they are from Aviary birds, they are intirely legal; however, make sure you get a copy of the certification (with the Aviary's name on it) stating that they are domestically grown Avery feathers.

These feathers are pretty pricey though (70 cents each as a start or starting bid of $7.00 for 10 feathers) and in my opinion are not worth the cost. Blue eared pheasant ($125.00 to $200.00/skin with hundreads of feathers on a skin, cost per feather about 2 cents) or the Whiting Spey Hackle at $25.00 to $40.00/ neck - again with hundreds of usuable feathers - (make sure you get the rooster neck spey hackle) are rof easonable cost and will do what heron does without worrying about legality.

Hammer
10-23-2003, 10:25 AM
i've seen this guy's sales in the past,everthing he has he states is from an aviary,,,so,aren't herron feathers legal in U.K. and Can.-B.C.????,they're on the Rogue here in so ore. all they way,up, down ,river,i think they have realtors,as you never see two together:hehe:

flytyer
10-23-2003, 02:44 PM
Hammer,

It makes no difference if heron (or any other feather, fur, or tail) is legal in a country other than the U.S. for those of us who live in the U.S. because U.S. residents are subject ot U.S. law, not the law of another country.

blawless
10-25-2003, 01:32 AM
I do quite a bit of bird carving and I would give my eye teeth to get my hands on some real bird models so I could use my calipers to measure everything exactly. But this is a huge NO NO! If caught, the fine is huge.
One time an Oregon Dark Eyed Junco hit my front door in a storm and broke his neck. I called WDFW and was told that I was not allowed under any cicumstances to save the carcass. So I buried it (no religious ceremony).
I can have ducks if shot in season but that's it. I do shore birds mostly but I would love to do a Great Blue Heron. Photos don't really work well because they distort all the curves and feathering.
I don't think I would buy feathers like that at any price.
Bob, the Good Boy:tsk_tsk:

striblue
10-25-2003, 08:38 AM
blawless... do you sell your carvings?...Do you carve shore Terns?

blawless
10-25-2003, 01:56 PM
Thanks striblue for the implied compliment.

No, I don't sell them because by the time I'm finished, I just love them so much I could never part with them. The price would be out of sight as well.

I spent about a month working off and on to create an American Gold Finch and over two months on an American Avocet. I've about three weeks in on a Long Billed Curlew and I haven't even started the feathering or the painting. Even the research is time consuming because you have to gather every photo and piece of information you can find. So no, the price is more than I could ever charge and I'm not famous so it would be ridiculous. People have no concept of how many hours an artist has consumed working on something so they never understand the high cost.

I would suggest that you take up the hobby and I would be glad to give you some pointers as to tools, etc. Find a local carving club and go hang out a bit-they won't mind. It's a blast and you don't have to be terribly gifted; it's just something that you learn, you use patterns, soft wood, (tubelo or bass wood) and just have fun.
I can tell you this: they become your baby and parents don't often sell their children.. .Well, maybe if the price is right. Babies, too, are fun to make or at least work on making.
Bob:hehe:
p.s. The idea of a Shore Tern sounds interesting. I'm going to look one up. Thanks again.