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: Bait Being used for C&R on Clearwater


t_richerzhagen
10-14-2003, 11:15 PM
There are a number of guides and a lot of other people who are using bait during the catch and release season on the Clearwater this year. That was not the intent of the original season, but the regulations did not prohibit it.

We need your help to see that it does not happen again next year. We need flies and other artificial lures for C&R next year.

As an example, one group from Walla Walla caught 20+ the first day and 30 the next. With bait there has to be greater mortality and there are wild fish in the system then.

Below are the people to write to:

The IDFG director's name is Steve Huffaker.
IDFG HEADQUARTERS
600 S. Walnut, P.O. Box 25, Boise, ID 83707
Phone: (208) 334-3700
Fax: (208) 334-2114 or (208) 334-2148
Idaho Fish & Game Commissioners

Panhandle Region
Nancy Hadley
4325 Whiskeyjack Rd.
Sandpoint, Idaho 83864
(208) 263-2380 (h)

Clearwater Region
Alex Irby
2666 Preston Road
Orofino, Idaho 83544
(208) 476-4597 (w)
airby@konkolville.com

Southwest Region
John Watts
P.O. Box 2601
Boise, Idaho 83701
(208) 385-7070 ext. 103 (w)
(208) 385-9056 (fax)


Upper Snake Region
Roy Moulton
60 E. Wallace Avenue
Driggs, Idaho 83422
(208) 354-2345 (w)
moultonlaw@tetontel.com

Southeast Region
Marcus Gibbs
632 Highway 34
Grace, Idaho 83241
(208) 425-3385 (h)
marc@gibbsfarms.com

Magic Valley Region
Fred L. Wood III, M.D.
P.O. Box 1207
Burley, Idaho 83318
(208) 678-2370 (h)
(208) 677-3136 (fax)
flwiii007@hotmail.com

Salmon Region
John Burns
Box 264
Carmen, Idaho 83462
(208) 756-3645
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Orofino Chamber of Commerce
PO Box 2346 Orofino, ID 83544
208-476-4335
orofinochamber@clearwater.net

MJC
10-15-2003, 07:51 PM
It seems to me allowing the use of bait during a C&R season is just stupid. We have a barbless hook rule so why not do the job right and ban bait during C&R. I know there will be some over here in Idaho who will think we should just keep bait and do away with C&R. I don't think anything will happen on this in the near future. In a letter to me from Commissioner Irby of Orofino, ID. dated July 8, 2003, he stated,

"Additionally, some folks have requested eliminating the use of bait during the existing catch and release season. All these requests have some merit, from individual points of view. However, after weighing biological, social and economic concerns the IDFG is not proposing any of them for rule changes in the upcoming 2004-05 fishing regulations."

I would challenge anyone from the IDFG or the IDFG Commission to show me where allowing bait during the C&R season will be beneficial to the resource or to the local economy. I doesn't take much common sense to figure out the mortality has to be higher on bait caught fish. I feel fish caught on bait will be hooked deeper (at least some of the time) then a lure caught fish causing more damage to the fish. A damaged or dead fish is of no value to anyone during a C&R season.

I believe it is going to take one hell of an uproar from sportsman to get this C&R bait ban in place. As you can see from the above excerpt from Commissioner Irby's letter there is nothing planned on this for the near future. A good start would be some leadership from the Commissioner from the Clearwater area. However that is something that seems to be lacking with the present appointee.

BWO
10-15-2003, 10:17 PM
Although I am uninformed on the specifics of this fishery. Perhaps the managers have decided that the runs are able to withstand a certain amount of mortality (which there is in all C&R fisheries) . By making the fishery C&R but with use of all methods no user group is discriminated against.

MJC
10-15-2003, 11:12 PM
BWO, Then why not do away with the barbless rule. I hear whinning about that all the time. I know some locals that like to spear steelhead and I even know a couple that have used Dupont spinners in remote locations in the past. Under the rules as now written these people are also being discriminated against. Should we allow these methods? The terms catch & release bait fishing would seem to be an oxymoron. There are a lot of people here abouts that put forth the very premise you have stated as an argument to do away with whole C&R season.

t_richerzhagen
10-16-2003, 12:01 AM
Bait for Atlantic Salmon has been almost universally outlawed for years. Steelhead deserve better. It is politicians, not the biologists that are making these decisions.