: Window Sticker.... RFC
You can stick them side by side over the years like oversand access permits or parking permits, F&G access tags, the like. It's original anyway.
Please chime in from all different regions! I am trying for a globally appealling look.
thanks in advance,
I like the colors and tones, but when I look at it from a distance (the other side of the room)it looks a bit fuzzy. Well maybe it's just time for new glasses. Perhaps more highly contrasting primary colors might stand out better from a distance and help the visually challenged like myself. The overall design is great I like the watermark effect but the main lettering could use a litte more punch. I only wish I had the skills to portray what I'm trying to describe.
Great feedback Jim - yes I agree. I guess I am more pumped up about the general concept and didn't work thru the details just yet. The concept is to have an "access style" sticker that changes in color each year so you can chronicle the years like people do with their university parking passes, 4x4 passes, etc. This style has originality over the over-used euro oval and the long rectangular bumper sticker, but it has the disadvantage of only making itself apparent to those who happen to walk closely by in the parking lot. To avoid this, it would have to be crisp and contrasted as you say.
The design will take a few iterations to get right, in fact each unique color cranks the costs up. Ideally I would have only two basic colors and introduce design elements and complexity using the shapes and (to your point) contrasts.
One idea that I'll work on over the weekend is to use flyfishing related shapes / etch style art in the middle and figure out the right text to go with.
Well, all told it's another option to the oval and the bumper sticker.
01-12-2001, 10:23 PM
Well Juro... I will have to take the passes down to town Hall in Chatham or have Leon Long, the supervisor of town maitenance make us up a sign which will reserve 50 yards of the causway only for those with the appropriate passes. We will have to take over. Maybe even personalized parking spaces. There is nothing holding us back now.
Summary: the problem is that the colors and design does not provide enough indentifying contrast / shape definition. Parking style stickers typically don't. Therefore the parking style sticker is probably not the best choice.
I'll post other sticker options based on this feedback...
Looks fine to me! Hurry up and send me one!! :)
01-14-2001, 10:23 PM
OK since I haven't been a wise ass for awhile any Terry hasn't chimed in. What the Hell do I need a Conclave Pass for?
I'll use a partial quote," You can stick them..." http://188.8.131.52/images/flytalk/Happy.gif
Damn shack nasties.
I'll bite Sully...
About the same reason you need a Cape Cod tunnel pass http://184.108.40.206/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif It's a play on the access pass theme.
Seriously though - I am not sure I understand your question... are you saying that it's unreasonable to become a member to attend member conclaves?
There will always be "open" conclaves, and there may never be exclusivity, but membership seems parr for the course.
Do you not agree?
01-14-2001, 10:59 PM
Juro, I like the idea of the sticker as a type of parking pass style... sticker don't have to be serious and the pass in that style would only mean something to the forum members and nothing more.Just an opinion ..I was not being sarcastic in my last comment.
I agree John, it's about as serious as the tunnel. I loved your joke about the members only causeway stretch!
On the other hand (addressed generally), perhaps a separate issue... when I look back at the major conclaves - we did a lot of work, and people put a lot into the efforts (monetarily, timewise, generosity, etc). It just seems appropriate that all that work, fun and camaraderie goes to help a purpose over and above our personal indulgence. One such cause is to further the notion of a web community that builds regionally intense angling clubs (90+% of your focus) and connects them worldwide into an angler's exchange program, such that you wouldn't leave home without a rod for those times you happen to travel somewhere (10% or less, yet unforgettable). Or else there's charity.
The former is the dream - does anyone share it or is it just my personal delusion? Of course it will always be 90% local intensity (guys and gals you could grab a beer after work with), and that is great... but over time that 10% (others who grab a beer with each other... on the Gaspe, on the Keys, BC, Scotland, etc) may become significant to all of us as well. Certainly the knowledge, diversity, and higher sense of camaraderie across the breadth of angling must be fascinating to others besides me - even if it never got beyond the board. It's the very essence of the world-wide web.
When we pool our insights to conquer an untapped island riptide, an unnamed trout-filled tributary or a mangrove lined bay with others in our region, we raise the common web-yak interaction to new levels. And when we host a world traveler on a business trip for a flyfishing digression, or get hosted ourselves in some other destination, we have transcended the norm of cyber-yak clubs once again and and done something truly extraordinary.
So what does this have to do with a sticker? Good question http://220.127.116.11/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif
Things are (or are not) what they are because of the way people perceive them. In order to do anything significant, it's necessary to build mind share. Associating the excitement of conclaves (or perhaps a few of them) with membership in *this* community says we are not "easy" but we're damn friendly and know how to have fun; also that we openly welcome all who can give a little to solidify the cause.
Maybe it's too early to say you need a "pass" (ie: membership) to attend conclaves. Seeing how it's the rule rather than the exception in other communities on the web, I humbly ask - does the hint of such in the future raise concerns?
<font size="1">touche' shack nasties!</font><!--1-->
01-15-2001, 08:57 AM
My .02 and HO.
We don't "need" a conclave pass but it is certainly more than the tunnel pass. I'm proud of my association with the guys and gals here and the sticker is a little way to show it off. The sticker is also advertising and a conversation starter in the parking lot while we are gearing up or down.
As far as members only claves I hope they never happen in the formal sense. I would hate to think that we lost a lurker as a future member because he/she couldn't attend the one event that caught his/her eye. I've never had the sense that we would go that way but this thread hinted at the possibility.
Gregg, et. al. -
Allow me to try to be more obvious than my other post http://18.104.22.168/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif" border="0" align="middle"> ... no one would EVER be shut out from entering a clave (unless there was some malicious reason for them to participate that we knew of or something)
I guess what I am saying is this - there are many other organizations that do less for it's members whose participants accept membership guidlines - simply because that's the way it's setup. I know of Jeep touring clubs that require $40 to go waste gas with them - but then again they can arrange cool events we couldn't dream of. I know of fishing clubs that require dues and have elected board members and treasurers and huge operating budgets but do far less than we do in a season. I also look at the Shriners and how they have been able to grow into a tight membership that does historically significant things for needy kids, while having FUN. Now there's a group with a huge building to cast in!
I don't disagree with those who like the foot loose unstructured approach but it's possible that such a perspective could severly limit the mid to long term potential of what we've started. Restrictive membership rules can also limit the potential (to everyone's point). Both are equally detrimental, the trick is to walk the line.
Does anyone else share the dream of becoming a bona fide organization that is recognized as an important group in flyfishing culture? If not then *I* need to lighten up. Besides, that's how we would get picked to review new reels and rods, line field testing, etc. <img src="http://22.214.171.124/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif
Sure, the neighborhood gang feel should never go away and it must grow forever - but I feel that can't be all this amounts to or one would have to question whether it's worth all the late nights and angry wives (even during the off season!).
Segue: I would like to commend the efforts of the Wild Steelhead Coalition. They have very quickly assembled a board, held planning meetings, and are pursuing official status as a non-profit organization to fight for the preservation of native anadromous rainbow trout in our northwest. About a month old, they are well on their way to state and national status as a ".org" and in my mind they are already an important organization.
All this is not a sticker issue, I agree... but it does give me a context to express my beliefs about all this effort and discuss them before water returns to a liquid form and sweeps me out to greet the tides every loose sunrise or sunset from May to November.
The floor is OPEN.
01-15-2001, 02:19 PM
Hmmmm.....Growing pains. What are we?
The owner has proposed a whole set of new changes in a short time. He has that right as he is the owner/admin and has put much time and $$ into the site. It is hard for me at times to envision some of the plans. They may be where we need to go. Maybe not, I don't know. The challenge is for him to strike a balance between mandated change by the owner and the needs of the core foundation group. Lately I've tended to shrink back a bit feeling the balance has tipped heavily towards the Owner/Admin and his vision. That's OK too we need leadership. But we are turning into something new now and I'd hate to see anyone alienated in the process including myself.
We've always been wide open. I love this site and am honored to have been here since day one. I have given and taken.
It's obvious to me that these passes (and membership as well) whether needed or not represent ideas contrary to the original foundation of this group. I'm not saying I'm totally against them, just that they need to be sold better, as right now I'm not sharing that vision.
Juro your are intense! Your web visions are admirable, but Sully's question was a good and honest one. I think we all care about the Forum too much for it to become another 2 year flash in the pan. I think I speak for a lot of people when I say we are vested and concerned. Is this the right thing for the site? OR should we shut up and go along for the ride?
***note: If you care about this forum now is the time to speak up and not worry about what people will think of you. Now is not the time for lurking!
01-15-2001, 02:41 PM
Another couple of cents.
I'm all for, and believe in the dream of, becoming a "bona fide" widely respected and recognized flyfishing org.
It is also my hope that we never lose the welcoming and open feel I have come to associate with our gatherings and board discussions. I guess it is kind of naive that the feeling could stay the same while growing and organizing in a significant way but perhaps we could include it in our mission so we know to always keep an eye on it.
Wait Terry - I argue that this is not at all an "owner" thing, it's by the "people for the people". If it were an owner thing would you and I be discussing it in this manner? Please - can you be a little more specific about your concerns? I read that you have concerns but I can't collect specifics about what they are. Go for it brother! I'm all ears (Ross Perot) but so far I can't grasp the rationale... especially the flash in the pan part (see below).
Gregg - Do you think a little structure would degrade the open-ness and welcome feeling? I certainly do not, in fact to the contrary most wide-open web sites are out of control with hostility and there is NO friendly feeling. At least it would make people feel vested and when we have something to accomplish as an organization, we would set out to do it. I think if you think through what the future might hold the lack of structure is far more detrimental (R/T, for instance).
Another example... CCA. What if they committee decided to keep it loose and unstructured years ago - basically, they would not exist today, they'd be the flash. But through organization, they grew to be a force to be reckoned with.
Let's all swear as stakeholders right now that the #1 priority (bar none) is to preserve true camaraderie among fly anglers, and do nothing to compromise the "welcome and open" culture that Gregg and others talk about. Period. Anything that threatens that is a wrong turn.
Other objectives - share in the discovery and rewards of solving the riddles of nature as friends and co-conspirators... like we did at the rip; or the Olympic rain forest, or Eleuthera.
A third - in Ryan's words... "it's a small world". Although not the "primary directive" (a little cosmic joke) one of our tenets should be "making the world smaller for fly anglers everywhere".
And someday, if growth stays on our wagon on the trail ahead - give something back. To the environment, to kids, to that which makes our enjoyment of flyfishing so damn fullfilling. Like the Shriner's.
BTW - we will be showcasing some software soon that will make all these big/no-big conversations evaporate. Let's just say that thanks to a java architect / co-conspirator we will be able to have our cake and eat it too! http://126.96.36.199/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif
01-15-2001, 04:35 PM
If I keep dumping a couple of cents in here every 15 minutes I'm going to go broke. http://188.8.131.52/images/flytalk/Happy.gif (lets you know how thin my wallet is.)
I agree Juro that if there is any desire to grow and become more than we are that that process must be structured and organized to be sucessful. I cherish how welcome I have been made to feel here and I hope I have contributed to that feeling in others. I have not seen a thing that would lead me to believe that the "warm fuzzies" are on their way out, it is merely a concern because that is one of the things I value most about my association with you all. I also do not think that growth with its concurrent organization and structure will necessarily dilute the "warm fuzzies" just that the potential is there.
If I may draw on my professional training and indulge in a little psycho-babble, what we are experiencing is a common reaction to change. The best way to ease the discomfort is to do what we are doing - Communicating with the objective being to agree on 1. a goal or mission and 2. how to achieve the goal or mission.
With that in mind I'd like to suggest we start a new thread in which we brainstorm a bullet point list of words to include in a mission statement ie friendly, flyfishing, worldwide etc.... After we develop a list of agreable words and concepts we can then work as a group to compile them into a formal mission statement. A properly developed and utilized mission statement is a very powerful component of any organization or even an individual.
I couldn't agree more. You must be good at your day job!
So if I understand correctly, you suggest starting a thread where we will first throw key thoughts and ideas at. From this brainstorming phase we will move on to refining a mission statement.
Sounds great - now if someone starts that thread we can get started. I shouldn't be the one who starts that thread, nor ends that thread.
01-15-2001, 07:22 PM
Juro: I started a reply with the idea of being more specific in mind. But the new "Our Mission" thread will take care of this business.
It would cost me over $300 to get 500 of these printed in time for the weekend. Based on the response I will not go ahead with this design.
I do need to decide on a design though... will work one out tonight expect samples tomorrow of the "speak or forever hold your peace" variety. http://184.108.40.206/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif
01-15-2001, 09:21 PM
Yes , I thought this was a thread on the window sticker and It moved into another area because of the initial suggested language. I submitted my suggestion of words to begin a mission statement group exercise in Greggs thread, but generally I am for anything that will not make this a flash in the pan and keep the friendships open to all. People with common interest always get to this point, so it is not an aberation, I mean, they have Elvis look alike contests, and matchbook collectors that are orgainized with stickers, etc,so if we look at it as just that, and not some elite thing ,but maybe a force in numbers for the right reasons then the original feeling about the Forum will not change... A little humor goes a long way, and that's basically the way I saw the "pass" concept.
01-15-2001, 10:48 PM
I'm looking at this as a window sticker thing only! I'd gladly put one on my vehicle for the simple fact that it would identify me as a board member. Nothing more, nothing less. ...if someone drives by and sees a vehicle with a "board decal" on it...maybe they want to see who that person is...maybe not. Certainly nothing to have a friggin' stroke over!
Shack nastiosis (shak'-nas*tee-oh-sys) -
An annual phenomenon that occurs each year in northern climes on the <i>internet</i> (which see). Believed to be caused by deprivation of the redeeming activities that participants would normally use to erase anxiety. Historically, it has been the catalyst for change. Monolithic communities may blossom into new communities like cell mitosis, resulting in evolution, growth and more options for each successive cycle. Existing cells can mature and find their own purpose as a collective organism.
Although there can be some discomfort during this phase, the end result promises to lead to a healthier, more robust organism.