: Kayaks for fishing, Questions for the forum...
03-19-2000, 11:31 AM
I've been thinking of adding a kayak to the collection of aqua-recreational equipment.
A. Anyone have experiences with kit-built products? (I've been looking at the Chesapeake Light Craft kits for a few years and they seem to offer a nice package)
B. If not kit built, is there a pre-made 'yak that you'd reccomend for all-around paddling and flyfishing?
C. Specifically regarding flyfishing from a 'yak, do you think you need a large cockpit opening versus a typical ocean yak with a smaller opening? (example: CLC's Mill Creek versus the Chesapeake?)
Voices of experience, let's hear from you.
Not familiar with the kits but have met guys on the cape using handbuilt kayaks... very nice.
It would seem to me that the advantage of modern molded versions offer design flexibility like sit-on-top and the mini-tri "stealth" yak which allows one to stand up.
My buddy Don Baker at Sesuit Creek Outfitters' off exit 9 on rte 6 (Cape Cod, MA) offers several models including the stealth, eddyline, and an assortment of sit-on-top versions that (on first glance) appear to be the best choice.
I suppose it really depends on the application, I have been thinking of extending my time on Brewster Flats and making crossings to points and structure across inlets and river mouths with no access.
I'll see if Don will provide us with some insights...
I spent a geat deal of time researching the CLC Mill Creek & the only reason I haven't built mine is time. I learned the double is a bit too much for paddling yourself, & the 13' is too small - go 15'.
As for the plastic versions, the popular Pungo is a great boat but if you want to be able to travel any kind of distance, I would suggest you look at the Old Town Loon . I think it's 13' and will take you the same places as a Pungo but tracks just a bit better.
Just my 2 cents.
Let me know when you want to go night - wading.
03-20-2000, 10:23 AM
Bob - This has been the subject of discussion on many bulletin boards in the past especially reel-time. Ill put in my .02 here.
I initially planned on buying a kit but was convinced otherwise after considering the time involved in building one. 40+ hours is a lot of time when you have a family. The kayaks are nice and I wanted to build one from Chesapeake Light Craft but, practically speaking, they are no longer in the running.
A roto molded kayak, probably from Old Town or Wilderness systems, will fit the bill. When you think about what you need in a kayak for fishing consider that, in most situations, you'll use it to get from point A to B. Parking on a sandbar will happen occasionally but if you get a sit on top for that reason you need to think about the other 5 months of the year where it'll be too cold to use it.
I tried the Pamlico from WildSys and the Old Town 138T. Both are essentially the same. The Pamlico has the edge in performance while the Old Town is cheaper. Cheap will probably win me over this year.
I have stayed out of this...based on your request for "experience"...but a kayak is on this season's "want list" for me as well...just my 2 cents....I have been looking at Old Town Loon 138's and Pungos.....
After rethinking that one of my kids (or even the wife??) may occassionally want to go, I am probably going to go to a Old Town Loon 160 tandem.
I've built two kayaks from kits, a CLC Chesapeake 17 and a Pygmy Osprey Standard. Putting each of them together was fairly straightforward, even for a novice woodworker like me. Each took about 80 hours of time. I prefer the Chesapeake's hard chined hull for fishing because of the greater initial stability. Both boats perform comparably with the best fiberglass or Kevlar expedition boats.
You had a question about the Chesapeake vs Mill Creek. I think the water you fish would determine which boat would be best. The Chesapeake is much faster, has larger cargo capacity and can handle rougher water. The Mill Creek is more stable, but better suited for quiet water.
If I was considering building a boat primarily for fishing, I'd look closest at the Chesapeake LT or the Pygmy Arctic Tern.
I live in northeastern Connecticut and use them for striper fishing along the Connecticut and Rhode Island shore.
Please email me with any specific questions. I'll be glad to help any way I can. If you want, we could have a yak attack clave this spring to give everyone the chance to try other people's boats.
The Yak Attack Clave is a totally awesome idea... one suggestion would be to hold it on Brewster Flats. I think Don Baker (Sesuit Creek Outfitters) might sponsor it there and offer a few varieties for us to try - no promises but I will ask him.
There is a sequence of flats and shoals that can be fished using yaks that I know quite well (or at least did before the winter).
There are sizable fish in spring and fall, I got a 38"-ish bass in 3 feet of water last fall and several keepers (released) in spring on foot. Two seasons ago I landed three over 30" in 7 casts, but it'll never happen again I'm sure. http://18.104.22.168/images/flytalk/Wilk.gif The yak would only improve the odds as the fish clearly set up on different locations on different days. By mid-season they are off shore on Billingsgate Shoals 2 miles out - a bit far for yakkin' I'd say.
Another option would be Hardings Beach or Morris Island, sortie to the edge of North Monomoy's famous Common Flats. I'd pick a light Southeast wind to aid the return voyage(?)
You pick the spot for the yak clave. I'm not very familiar with the Cape, as I spend most of my time around Napatree and Little Narragansett Bay. I may be moving up that way soon - I'm currently looking for a job in the Boston area. My wife is starting a veterinary residency up there in June.
Maybe we can talk steelhead, too. I'm a displaced Northwesterner and it's been too long since I got slammed by a chromer steelhead.
Hey you speak my lingo! We should hook up with the guys on the salmon/steelhead thread, maybe this fall? If we pool resources things get much cheaper and since I am confident that Brian and maybe Bill will be out here in our neck of the woods to take on the stripers again this year, we can swap each other's rides and lodging accomodations. I'd venture to say we've had the system working pretty well over the last couple years and I suspect these things are only going to get better as the seasons go on.
I'll talk to Don about the Yak Attack suggestion you made. I'd just as soon come to Westerly if it doesn't work out up here on the bayside, so let's talk again on this topic after we know what the options are.
Sounds good to me. I've spent many a fall day swinging Green Butt Skunks on the Wenatchee (my favorite, but now unfortunately closed because of the endangered species listing) and the Kalama. Even better than that is hiking into the high lakes in August. Just watching those cutts come screaming up from 10 feet down to slam a Humpy on the surface is something you just never see anywhere else.
I also know of a little stream within day trip distance of Seattle where you can catch a couple dozen native rainbows (average 10", but go up to 20") on dry flies in a day. In eight years of fishing it, I saw one other fisherman. I wouldn't even tell my mother how to get there.
03-24-2000, 08:18 PM
That's the great thing about this community, there's almost always someone out there who's facd the same decision b4. A bit dismayed at the 80hr timeline. That's a far cry from the 45 hr that CLC budgets. This will probably really come down to the time factor if it happens at all this summer. Might just end up as a winter of 2000 - 2001 project.
Thanks for the info,