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: California's version of "Dumb and Dumber."


fredaevans
05-07-2003, 11:05 AM
Amazing what you find when your not looking! Many would acknowledge California is LaLa-Land, but this hair brained idea just about takes the cake.

On one river (Feather) they're talking about a 'ramping up-down' daily water flows that equal-exceed the Rogue's flow from the Warm Springs dam that controls the entire upper end of the river. Just so someone can have a fun day on the water.... and hang the obvious cost to the enviornment.


http://www.powwer.org/
http//www.powwer.org/background1.htm

Additional clues as to why California is in 'deep Dutch.' If you tried this stunt in Oregon you'd be put away in a funny farm. Except this isn't funny.
fae

Bwana
05-07-2003, 11:45 AM
They don't call Calif the "LEFT COAST":( fer nothin'!!!!! Ya might as well say that iffin we "LEFT" them alone long enough, Californians would SINK into the PACIFIC:eyecrazy: from their own weight of STUPIDITY!!!!!:p

Now I do agree, several Californians of Conservative persuasion might figure the problem out in time to STOP the DRUDGERY, but ARE THERE enough of 'em to compensate????? Just askin!!!!!:eyecrazy:

I'll bet they are "LEFT HANDED" tooooo!!!!:hehe:

DAN

fredaevans
05-07-2003, 04:20 PM
E mail just informed me that the month of May is "water awareness month" in California.

Dear God .........:confused:

BobK
05-07-2003, 08:22 PM
Yeah. Love it. They rob all the water from the rest of the western states, and don't allow energy plants there. They are energy starved and water starved. Then they have the unmitigated gall to p--s away water for water recreation???

Once, when on a business trip there, I asked an engineer how the fishing and hunting was out there. The reply I got floored me. This yo-yo said, "We don't do blood sports out here!" Well. la-de-da! So much for "The land of fruits and nuts".

We keep bailing 'em out with disaster relief for earthquakes, floods, brush/forect fires, and mudslides. And they are so dumb, they flock back to the same areas so it can (and does) happen to them again! I'm starting to lose my patience as far as California is concerned.

Wish all the western states would unite to "ration" their resource sources so they don't totally waste 'em - they don't deserve 'em!

Just my opinion!

BobK

fredaevans
05-07-2003, 08:48 PM
tell us what you really think.:D

Moved to Calif. in 1984, moved out in 1996. Except for Healdsburg, CA (a truely great place) it was the longest 11 years in my life.... short of meeting/marrying Joan.
fae

willmullis
05-08-2003, 09:59 AM
The problem is people who know nothing about the enviroment and the consequences of any enviromental change decide one day to do something really stupid. All the poeple around them are just as stupid and say "Hey what a great idea!". http://members.cox.net/bones96/images/smilies/slap.gif

fredaevans
05-08-2003, 12:39 PM
Perfect!!! for your post and the topic.
fae

Eddie
05-08-2003, 12:57 PM
Wow! I lived in CA for ten years, and the fishing is terrific. So is the hunting. In fact, just about anything that you can do outside('cept for ice fishing and cow pie tossing) is just about as good or better than anywhere.
California bashing is good sport in states with long miserable winters and populated by unattractive, dim witted people living second rate lives. I'm glad that you folks have figured out where you belong:razz:
California will continue to provide the rest of the country with the food, technology and tax dollars that this country depends on. People from the miserable states will continue to escape to California. Sort of like Cuba: The only ones left are completely devoid of ambition. :razz:
And befor you go off on Californians moving to your state, remember, there are more Mainers in California than there are in Maine. Same goes for Texans, Oregonians etc. Why did I leave the Golden State you might ask? I couldn't leave my family alone on the sinking ship, so I've got my life jacket (down jacket) on, and I'll make the best of it.:(
There..."fair and balanced" forum.

Dble Haul
05-08-2003, 01:49 PM
Well said, Eddie. I realize that people may feel the need to vent here now and again, but there's always at least two sides to every issue.

On a totally unrelated note, I think we may have a candidate for the title of Site Crumudgeon. ;)

Bwana
05-08-2003, 04:41 PM
Fair and balanced????? :eyecrazy: :eyecrazy:
California bashing is good sport in states with long miserable winters and populated by unattractive, dim witted people living second rate lives. I'm glad that you folks have figured out where you belong

Evidently you were asleep the whole time you lived there!!!

Have YOU looked into a mirror lately?????:chuckle: :chuckle:

Just askin':smokin:

DAN:rolleyes:

Nailknot
05-11-2003, 02:26 AM
I wouldn't worry about bailing out CA, since they pay more taxes than most of the rest of the USA combined. And I'd like to be the first to thank the state of Texas for their long and proud contributions to the sport of fly fishing.

Eddie
05-11-2003, 05:10 PM
Easy now...those guys were just clowning around.:D
You know, like saying ALL Texans are like the crooks over at ENRON (who hadn't paid ANY taxes since 1996!:whoa:).
No, most Texans are not at all like those crazy ladies who killed their kids. And Texans are not like the Houston cops that framed over two hundred Mexicans on false drug charges. The creeps who dragged the black guy to death behind the pick up do not represent the attitudes of the majority of Texans. The fact that Texas has to execute more of it's citizens than any other state does not make all Texans bad (with each execution Texas gets better...right?).
Only a fool would judge a whole population of people based on a handfull of anecdotes. That's how I know that we're just kidding around...right?;)
As for Texas and flyfishing, outside of the PNW, Texas has some of the best casters I have seen. Must be the honkin' wind on the Gulf. The redfishing in Texas ranks as some of the best that flyfishing has to offer. I can't wait to go back to Texas to fish. This is a fishing web site after all.:)

Bwana
05-11-2003, 08:29 PM
Nailknot, I wouldn't expect anything else from a "PSEUDOFIED CORN CHUNKER" from YOUR neck of the woods!!!!! Just goes to show ya what some just DON'T know and understand!!!!!! I don't need to go into the numbers and efforts many in Texas have done and contributed over the years to FLY FISHIN,,,,,,,,CUZ I'd hate to embarass you!!!!! And you probably wouldn't understand them anyways!!!!!!

Eddie, I could go on and on and on and on about each state and the MORONIC BEHAVIOR of some we would ALL like to get rid of that have made MOCKERY of each state!!!!! The BAD ones get the PRESS and we as "BASICALLY GOOD" citizens must live down the results of their behavior!!!!

Yer right,,,,,The Gulf Coast is a fantastic fishery as is Lake Fork and Richland Chambers!!!!! I have fished many Washington waters and many from other states!!!!! Seems to me each has something to offer in it's own right!!!!!! Each is different and each has unique fisheries and land structure!!!! Kinda like the cows grazin on the "OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE",,,,,,,,I thike we sometimes look at how "GREEN" the grass is somewhere else and don't see what's "IN OUR FACE"!!!

DAN

moosestang
05-12-2003, 01:05 PM
Eddie and Bwana

As a native Californian and current resident of Texas I may bring a unique perspective to the ongoing discussion.
First to Bwana, before you critisize California hook up your bass boat and take a trip to one of these lakes Clear,Casitas, or Castaic and you will probably find that these are better bass waters than any in the state of Texas not to mention the Sacremento river delta. These areas are all stops on the national bass tours Whereas Lake Fork which has the reputation as being the best bass lake in Texas is still recovering from the large mouth bass virus and will take years to regain it's former glory days if it ever does( I fish there at least four times a year) As far as fishing goes Texas doesn't hold a candle to California in any Species except maybe down on the coast for specks and reds(since those don't exsist in California)But the laws and law makers in Texas do try to protect the sportsman's rights here and for that I thank them.

Second to EddibBefore you critisize Texas pack your trout rods an come fish the Guadalupe river which is the southern most trout fishery in the country and has some giant rainbows in it.Also please remember that the Rodney King and Reginald Denny beatings happened and the riots that followed the non conviction of the cops that beat him(the first trials) and the state in which O.J. Simpson was not convicted(IMHO he killed her) I could go on all day about the crazies that live in California but it would take too much time. And don't get me started on Grey Davis and his cronies that have made horrible mistakes running the state and the natural resources for the state.

I guess what I am saying is that both of you live in wonderful states and even though they have their own problems and natural disasters (earthquakes and tornados)you have a right to be proud of them but a wise man once said let he who is without guilt cast the first stone.

Mean Mr Mustard
05-12-2003, 01:57 PM
We got a scrap going and I wasn't invited?

Well, as the son of a career naval officer, I was both born in Texas and schooled in California. I have benefited from travel throughout the states and many foreign countries and have an opinion or two!

Texas totally sucks! What's wrong with Texas IS Texas (and the Texans). Aside from some nice cheerleaders I can't find anything worth keeping there.

California is the natural wonder of these United States - almost any type of environment can be found there. You like seasides, they got 'em. You like mountains, they got 'em. Deserts, agriculture lands ditto. What ruins California is the Californians! You know, those disenchanted Texans who moved further west.

:razz: :eyecrazy: :hehe:

mmm

Nailknot
05-12-2003, 04:36 PM
Those Guadalupe River rainbow trout wouldn't be McCloud River (California!?) strain, would they? :hehe:

What the heck is a "PSEUDOFIED CORN CHUNKER"? Only one of those words is in the dictionary! You're right, I wouldn't understand anyways (I'll blame it on the Shiner Bock). ;)

moosestang
05-12-2003, 07:02 PM
I think that they are hydrid trout due to the warmer water.But they do look like footballs with all the insect life and forage fish in the river. Of course they also have to keep an eye out for the striped bass and fire ants (the bass will eat them and the ants poison them)

What I really can't fathom is why we are reacting to this news with dismay instead of gladness after all the studies have shown that it is beneficial to aquatic life forms to purge a tailwater river periodically(i.e. the colorado river down stream from the glen canyon dam )which washes away life choking silt and harmfull chemicals.

This fringe group POWWER is on the same level as PETA with their radical beliefs and scare tactics since the main destination for the feather river water is Los Angeles there are plenty of catch basins(that contain fish) to collect the extra water so it won't be wasted. Since we as anglers cannot just ignore these fanatics we will have to counter them with our voices and get the politician's ear bent in our direction instead of the people who scream to the media at the top of their lungs that the sky is falling

Eddie
05-12-2003, 07:31 PM
Tang, thanks for setting me straight, but I don't think that you are disagreeing with my last post. Texas is good for Texans, California is good for Californians. Iran is good for Iranians. That's how they got that way.