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: This is getting ridiculous !

04-18-2003, 10:54 PM
1. I'm been in love with a spey rod since January that I cannot cast unless I purchase it blindly. No fly shops in my area have it in stock !

2. I'm 0 for 21 on steelhead landings !

3. I am 100% on sucker landings !

4. My Renzetti Traveller Vice jaws froze together last weekend after 9 years of use !

5. My last bobbin got clogged tonight with glue or wax. Trying to fix it but may have to buy another before I can tie flies again !

6. I have a number of flies to tie before going up to Michigan next sunday !

7. The Siberian huskies have taken a liking to my fly tying materials !

8. I have an Intruder tying fetish like Kush, only it is Show Girls and a couple of other top secret flies I am working oe, which I cannot control !

9. I have not participated in fly swap in over a month !

10. I must have a couple of thousand flies. The last couple of trips I have lost maybe one or two flies hardly enough to justify continued tying, but I do it anyway!

11. My fly boxes are overflowing, I cannot fit anymore in my vest, but it seems of all the fly types I have and actucally use, they are the same basic 3 or 4, and the others could be left home !

12. My fly tying bench and supply cabinets are in a constant state of disarray no matter how hard I try to stay organized, I can never find what I want to tie with easily !

13. I cannot stop making my weekly stop at the fly fishing shop and buying a little more hooks, tying materials, or other fly fishing accessories !

14. I have three sets of gravel guards and all of the three just about give a heart attack and back strain in the early morning light trying to get them zipped up over my new wading shoes!

15. I have been looking for a backup spool for Marryat MR-9 but the cheapest I can find one is $ 120 new. I bought a new Redington AL for $ 75. Now I need a backup spool for both the Redington and the Marryat !

16. There are 10 fly rods which are always not being used since I can only use one at a time. Same for the reels which I have about 7 of those now !

17. I am compulsed to visit the fly fishing forumn multiple times each day and posting !

18. No matter how much fly fishing or fly tying I do it is never enough and I want to do more !

19. The Boss has given my a new honey dew list so I won't be fly fishing for steelhead for another week !

20. If The Boss ever finds out how much I have invested in fly tying material, equipment, and books, I'm toast ! She is starting to ask probing questions.

21. My wife and 3 sons cannot I understand why I never bring any fish home, nor any pictures. Cross reference to points 2 and 3 above!!

22. None of my three lucky camoflauge thinsulate fishing hats are working. Now I have to consider purchasing new lucky fishing hats !!

Maybe this fly fishing sport is getting too complex and expensive and I should consider a simpler sport like pan fishing where you always catch fish, or perhaps bowling, or just being a couch potato ?

Put everything up for sale on ebay and do something simpler.

I will think about it, but then I will have to resign from the fly fishing forumn and lose touch with my cyber fishing colleagues since I will no longer be a "fly fisherman".

The problem is if I put it all up for sale on ebay, all of the tackle hounds on this forumn would know its me selling my stuff and would keep the price bidding down.

Seems like a "Catch 22" to me with "No Exit".


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04-18-2003, 10:56 PM

You can always hang out as an ex-fisherman. BTW - could you let me know when your stuff goes up on eBay? :devil:

04-18-2003, 11:31 PM
Don't worry...these feelings will pass.....

04-18-2003, 11:43 PM
Just how badly do you want to fish that 5120-4???

I can see what sort of strings I can pull and see if I can dig up a demo rod for ya from Sage or from one certain rep! I have powers... :devil:

If I manage to get a hold of a demo, Ill ship it to you, let you fish it for a week or two and then you send it back...

...and ofcourse, if you love the rod and decide to buy it, you will purchase it from one particular Forum sponsor. :devil:

How does that sound?? :) :)

04-19-2003, 07:25 AM
Hal, Hal, Hal.....

Hell! I don't know what I am going to do with you! This is just part of the aging process. It is a sign of "growing older", and the frustrations involved. Realize one thing first: YOU CAN'T DO OR HAVE CONTROL OVER EVERYTHING!

I found myself in the same boat a few years back, only fishing and shooting are the sports involved. I have been SLOWLY working my way down to a few favored guns and rods. Yeah, it's a slow process. (Takes years)!

Sometimes I sell one (for MY price), at other times I may donate them to a worthy cause (usually involving teaching kids to fish or shoot), etc. Sometimes they may be a gift to a close friend or family member who appreciates them. The key here is not to be "anxious" and impatient - it takes time.

Then you find yourself doing fewer things, but VERY well. (Yeah, that just MIGHT even encompass LANDING STEELIES after you hook 'em!).

I don't have a fly tying desk any more. When time comes up to tie flies, I know which pattern(s) I want to tie up. I take over the kitchen table for the day, and bring out my two big boxes of materials, with smaller boxes inside organized by contents. Takes a couple of minutes to pull out the materials I need, set up the vise, maybe make a quick trip to the store to replenish an item or two, but it is VERY efficient. And only takes a couple of minutes to put everything away.

Picking rods (etc.) to keep is easy - the favorites! (Strangely, this has nothing to do with cost! - at least in my case).

But apparently you have reached that point in life where you now have to make choices. No more buying for the joy of possession of lots of toys; now you "acquire" for the joy of frequent use.

Don't worry - now you will HAVE to use all of the rods TO SEE WHICH ONES ARE YOUR FAVORITES! And the best part is that there is no time limit, and you don't have to be in a rush. You may be surprised to discover that you have some super neat toys that you have forgotten about, as I did.

Have fun!


04-19-2003, 12:20 PM
When ever I start to feel like that, I just go down into the basement and tie a couple of flies. The feelings soon go away!:eyecrazy:

04-19-2003, 04:36 PM
Take up bowling, it eats up less server space.

04-20-2003, 02:40 PM
Hal - I know (somewhat) where you're coming from... suffering a major case of FF burnout right now, with no appreciable end in sight. The fishing in Georgia generally stinks, unless you decide to do battle with other FFers on the local rivers for a few trout. Was going to go to NC for a few days to fish the SW, but looks like I'll have to cancel due to a tight schedule. The only saving grace is that I can head down to Myrtle Beach for a week and stay with my parents for free, while fishing every day from the beach... wait a moment... geez, it never occurred to me to get a guide there! Hmmm... we'll have to see. ANYWAY, I've been tying up flies like mad, been building rods, but can't put any of them to use at the moment. Bottom line is that I need to get out of Georgia asap. Then I might actually be able to fish on a regular basis.
If my wife knew how much $$$ was invested in fishing tackle, I'd be in "it" up to my ears! Fortunately, she doesn't ask...

04-20-2003, 08:17 PM
I forgot something else, my new breatheable waders appear to have a very slow leak in one leg they are only 10 months old.

Oh well I guess I will have to gut out and NOT QUIT. Besides I hate bowling and pan fishing. I also could not stand to see my equipment sold on ebay for $$$ values far below their emotional worth to me. I could not bear to hear forumn members discussing how they got steals on PM's FF stuff !!

Remember I have never sold any of my fly fishing gear and probably never will. It has emotional and historical value to me.

Ryan, thanks for the offer maybe this summer when I take a week fly fishing for trout and can really work out the 5120 for a good on the water field test.

Although fly fishing is complex and can present many failures I thought about it and realized, I am living in the middle of North America and the Great Lakes region which may be the best central fishing location in the world. I can be to the U.S west, east, or southern coasts, or Canda via air in a few hours or with a 1-8 hour car drive to the great lake states and Ontario.

See the river and water statistics I looked up below:

400,000 lakes and rivers

12,000 lakes
69,000 river miles

16,000 lakes
10,000 miles of trout streams

26,000 miles of rivers
700 square miles of inland lakes

600 lakes
9000 miles of rivers

11,000 lakes
36,000 miles of trout rivers
1,000 miles of blue ribbon rivers
220 miles of fly fishing only trout river miles

291,00 square miles of water
126,000 miles of coast line

12,000 miles of coast line
187,000 square miles of water

There is still lots of water I have not fly fished yet, I cannot quit now !!

Some interesting stats above.

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04-20-2003, 08:47 PM
I'd recommend early retirement, but Bev. would have to kill you after about 30 days at home.

You need a ..... Oh, so many things come to mind. I think my Doctor could recommend some medication ... and it will come in a pill bottle ... not a 5'th.


John Desjardins
04-20-2003, 09:10 PM
Hal the solution to your streak is simple. go fishing for suckers rather than steelhead. Reverse the statistics. ;)

04-20-2003, 09:54 PM
Nothing more I could add to that.

04-21-2003, 01:44 AM
PM, next time you go looking at the fly-tying selection at the shop.. go armed with a small pre-made checklist & stick to it.

You wanna boost your fishing karma..give a nice outfit away to some poor stranger/friend who would be truly pleased by your generosity.

Panfish sharpen hooking skills & even finesse at times.

Throw a spinner on a spinning reel for a complete break from the fly-mentality for a day or two.

Accompany your wife to one of her favourite functions.

Say a heart-felt prayer for the less priviledged & war-torn.

God bless, Dan'l

P.S. Ya gotta work the "Medicine Wheel"

Dble Haul
04-21-2003, 08:15 AM
Contrary to what you say, panfishing does not guarantee catching fish.

Now if you're through getting your ego boost from some of the other Forum members, why not get back to fishing? :p

Or you could send your gear my way.....but something tells me that won't happen.

04-22-2003, 02:29 PM
I'm 0 for 21 on steelhead landings !

As someone who has worked through some bad hook to landing streaks from time to time, I had thought that 3 or 4 in a row was bad. 0 for 21??? 3000+ posts and you can't get a fish to the beach? Where is the justice?

Might I suggest putting away the size 20 micro-caddis and the 3 pound test. Or possibly the bowling suggestion above should be seriously considered. :hehe:

04-23-2003, 02:19 AM

I don't know about the bowling ball, he could use it to bonk the fish in the water before they were ever hooked! I guess it could be called the great lakes anchor.


You have gotten a serious fly tying addiction! Kush has been warned about this in the salmon and steelhead flies forum; but apparently you did not pay attention to the symptons before they got of out hand. Next thing you know you will be trying to buy marabou by the pound of a single color! And the garage won't have space for the car because it will be filled with yard equipment, bicycles, and fly tying materials.

Quick, take a trip to the closest "treatment facility" and get "dried out" through losing some of those flies! Otherwise, you will find yourself making up sick excuses like having Mykiss flu so that you can get out to a treatment center without those at work knowing what you are getting treated for.

And stay away from Fred's little pills! Some of us know what better living through chemistry meant in the 60's and early 70's.

04-23-2003, 07:41 AM
YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG!!! It was "BETTER LOVING THROUGH CHEMISTRY"! You know, LSD, Crack labs, "Free Love" (well, inexpensive, anyway!)

And the best therapy ("Cold Turkey") would be to bundle up the rods, reels, waders, fly tying materials (yeah, vises too!) and send them to some poor, deserving retired individual trying to hack it on a fixed income (ME!)

I would even be kind enough to send a letter of appreciation, and tell him of ways to avoid the problem in the future, and how to avoid the evils of merlot, single malt, Courvasier, Demerara (151 proof) Rum (commonly referred to by the British as "grog"), etc. I would also freely accept those, as well, strictly for medicinal purposes, of course.:hehe: :hehe: :devil:


04-23-2003, 09:42 AM
I love my fellow FFF colleague thoughtful and reassuring comments.

What consoles me is that I know that all of you are in the same sad situation as me, (except for the 0 for 21 steelhead streak I hope !, I would not want any one else to have to endure that)

BTW, my worst other steelhead streak was and 0 for 17 or 18 and that was just in two days of fishing.

Thinking about this fly fishing situation, what I find revealing is that all sports that I have liked were somewhat complex and had lots of failure associated with them:

Here are some examples: downhill skiing, tennis, golf, baseball, football.

If its to easy we lose interest quickly. At least I do.

My teenage sons have been listening to a Michael Jordan TV commercial saying lately:

Here it is:

"I fail over, and over, and over again, but that is why I succeed"

Thats a good saying to apply to your whole life. Another one of my favorites is a Winston Churchill one: "Never ever give up"

Oh well I will endure thorugh this believe me , but if there is a fly fishing pyschologist or fly fishing psycho therapy forumn some wheres point me to them and then you fellows can join me.

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P.S. Bobk I can send you flies only, need to rid my wallets of a number so I can justify tying more !! :smokin: :hehe:

04-23-2003, 10:59 AM
0 for 21? Isn't it the take that really counts? I suggest you just clip your hook so that you aren't fishing to land fish, you're fishing for the rush of the take and the first great run and jump. That way, all your fish are huge.:D

04-23-2003, 11:36 AM

Well yes you are kind of right, actually I C+R all steelhead any way, so may be I am not doing so bad after all ?

I am just releasing them earlier, I feel better already, thanks.

Now watch me extend the streak next week in Michigan.

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04-23-2003, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by pmflyfisher

Well yes you are kind of right, actually I C+R all steelhead any way, so may be I am not doing so bad after all ?

I am just releasing them earlier, I feel better already, thanks.

Now watch me extend the streak next week in Michigan.

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"long range catch and release." But better to have hooked, and lost than never to have hooked at all........ which was me this past weekend.

With Joan off to the Grand Canyon, et. al. for 2 weeks spent all day Sat and Sunday on the river. Must have made 2,000 casts over fish and the sum total for the weekend was one 4" trout. Now that's frustrating. Even more so when you walk the closed water area below the hatchery and there are several hundred bright fish trying to get friskey with each other. But that's probably why it went the way it did.

The 'good news' is the spring kings are already showing up in the upper river almost a month early due to the amount of rain we've had and the river being on the high side for a couple of weeks. Watched one fellow hook three monsters and loose them all on drift gear. Talked to him and he was using 25# line and 20# leader material and still wasn't holding them. That takes one heck of a fish to bust you off.

04-23-2003, 11:57 AM
BTW, everyone I got a new matarelli ruby tipped bobbin last saturday morning and have tied about 30 more flies since for this weeks trip. So I am back in business tying flies again. Tough to ty flies without a bobbin, Lee Wulff I am not.

Still have to get the renzetti fixed though.

Will fix my other problems one by one, what ever it takes, etc...

My stuff is not going up on ebay or the classifieds here either for quite a while, maybe when I am deceased, I will advise my wife what to do with it all.

Yeah, Fred I have something special for you and some of my other forumn colleagues.:chuckle: :chuckle:

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04-23-2003, 01:59 PM
You are reading too much into this thread. You are not fishing to eat and live!

("Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he will sit around in a boat all day drinking beer!".) A lot to be said for this simple approach.

Put this in perspective. Was it fun to hook the fish, and have him escape after a noble tussle? Or do you have to hold the fish in your hand, to examine this noble creature, admiring his beauty, streamlining, color and strength?

(MY appropriate perspective is the latter!) :hehe::devil:

Anyhow, if you ever get this morbid streak off your back, I will be happy to fish with you; until then, however, I wouldn't touch you with a 10 foot Pole (or 12 foot Ukranian, or 14 foot Lithuanian)!

(Tell the wife not to take offense - I am a 5th gen. US Pole.) It's my heritage.

Lighten up, Man, and you will find yourself having fun. You're taking it too seriously! It's a sport, remember? It's supposed to be FUN! (Even with some disappointments!) :devil:


04-23-2003, 02:19 PM

Thats nice what you said but no man should have to experience this amount of steelhead disappoints.

Thats OK I am going all out starting Sunday to break the streak up in my beloved Michigan rivers. It will be as we said in the USAF, A maximum effort, from the crack of dawn to last light, every cast counts, no breaks for lunch or big fancy dinners etc.

Its just me versus the wild michigan steelhead and browns alone in the national forests.

Fly fishing does not get any better than this.


04-23-2003, 06:11 PM
Be serious. Use the old SHORT 9 foot one hander......


04-23-2003, 08:05 PM
"Anyhow, if you ever get this morbid streak off your back, I will be happy to fish with you; until then, however, I wouldn't touch you with a 10 foot Pole (or 12 foot Ukranian, or 14 foot Lithuanian)!

(Tell the wife not to take offense - I am a 5th gen. US Pole.) It's my heritage."

On my Mothers 'side' I'm one generation off the Ukrainian/Pole side of the DNA pool. :hehe: Mother just got mixed up with a Welshman so I turned out to be an "Evans" not a "Hanivich."
:confused: But that's Bird's Hill, Manitoba for you.

04-23-2003, 08:39 PM
My wife traces her ancestry back to the Mayflower.... No, her family is not rich, or snobs, just farmers. A lot of good to be said for that.....

How she got mixed up with me ????? Beats me. Just bad luck on her part, I guess!:hehe: :hehe:


04-23-2003, 09:42 PM
Grandparents got out of Russia during the Revalution (sp?). How, who knows, but 'out' they got to Canada.

I can relate to your family history... including the "mixed up with me." I won't touch the 'bad luck' bit with you're "10 foot pole."

04-24-2003, 09:02 AM
Hal, snap out of it for gods sakes will you! 0 for 21 in what a weeks time, come on now. Hell Sinktip and I were having the best laugh over the phone the other night at your expense when we realized that there are many of us out here in the NW that have or could have gone 0 for 21 but who can ever remember to keep a true count over years of few hookups to get to 0 for 21.
Maybe we can't remember because out here in the NW most of us are old hippie steelheaders who believe in " Good fishing through chemistry".

Hal you got to change your life style, your too tight right now. You need to leave your job, your family, the bank account and the bills. Buy a used travel trailer complete with black mold on the inside and travel the country steelhead fishing. Park it in Freds back yard for months at a time bugging the hell out him to leave his job, family and to go fishing with you every day.

It's the only way for you PM, you got to get it together soon or else we will be sadly talking about you here on flytalk in the past tense and you know that will only last so long before we all just go fishing and the memory of your 0 fo 21 week or two will have floated down river and out to sea forever.

Good luck in the future with that dam gorila on your back. Hal the trailer you need to get the trailer.

04-24-2003, 11:45 AM
OC and Sink Tip

I am glad some one is having a good laugh about the 0 for 21 streak.

The 0 for 21 streak is over the last 12 months. Its been the worse year of steelhead runs here in the GLs in the last ten years probably. Previous worst streak was something like 0 for 20 but in a two day period. Yes at times out here you can have those numbers of steelie hook ups, but not right now. Runs are down for some unknown reason.

Fred, would you consider allowing me to park the trailer at your place for part of the steelhead season ? A steelhead nomad like whats the name of those PNW fellows that have been written up as such. Steelhead Bob xxxxxx, as I recall.



04-24-2003, 12:19 PM
Now your begining to think with the proper chemistry!

By the way those mythical NW steelheaders you read about are only in the minor leagues, maybe triple A at best. The true mythical steelheaders are so mythical that they never let themselves be seen by any except others in their league. They know when you are walking in to the run to fish and hide behind rocks or slither into the boils just up stream from the seam on a rainy foggy morning. If your floating down river in a drift boat they sense your aproach and blend into the nearby forrest every bit as well as the creature in the original Terminator movie did. From time to time we see some chewing tobaco spit on the dry rocks just above the water line and we know that we are not alone on that lonely stretch of river. Indian lore out here in the NW is about the big foot but let me tell you that a good steelhead fishing friend of mine who is a PNW anthropologist says that is untrue and truely believes the myth of big foot is just and has been nothing but glimpses of mythical fly fishing and mythical gear steelhead fishermen by native Americans and settlers alike...
PM, you are going through a tough time as all steelheaders do but think positive or in steelhead fishing think not at all, just let what ever happens happen even if it's the trailer. On the bright side of things if it's this bad for you imagine how those mythical steelhead fishermen feel when they go 0 for 21! Sometimes while on the river we hear the lonely, ugly roar of the mythical steelhead fisheman somewhere up above us in a wet and cloud covered mountain canyon. Oh how awful those cries can be. Oh how awful those cries can be.

04-24-2003, 12:57 PM

Yes it is true, still chuckling about the 0-21 streak. As for your unexplained low returns this year, the answer is --- poor ocean conditions! :chuckle:


04-24-2003, 02:03 PM
At least here, in NY, on Lake Ontario, the zebra mussels and quagga mussels are really screwing up the WHOLE food chain! I would guess that all of the Great Lakes have a tough row to hoe over the next few years.

Per the state, all of the species in the food chain are affected, and so conditions and weights of salmonids, sport fish and bait fish falling off, as well.

We have to get control of these exotics somehow without screwing up the whole of the lakes!


04-24-2003, 02:51 PM
Is it not true that almost all life in the great lakes is exotic? Is there a difference beteen an exotic clam and an exotic Steelhead? We have somewhat the same problem out here in the NW. We have exotic steelhead from hatcheries. :mad:

04-24-2003, 03:08 PM
One thing for sure I have not seen in 24 years lake michigan's water as clear as it is now. Thats because the invasive species are eating up the plankton etc. and making the water clearer. Same is happening in our rivers they are invading into.

Would a steelhead that was planted here in the 1880s but has been reproducing as a wild steelhead since then, still be considered an invasive species ?

I guess so under a puristic definiton.

The only trouts that are native to GLs are lake and brook trout (coasters). Lake trout are stocked to supplement natural spawning. Coasters are coming back, but as I understand it, only Lake Superior has them in any numbers.

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04-25-2003, 10:50 PM

You have to be careful about the mushrooms you add to your salad or sandwhich, since the brownies wouldn't have you hearing the cries of the poor steelhead fly fisherman.

04-26-2003, 06:57 AM
Well, browns and rainbows weren't truly native to a lot of the streams they inhabit here in the "lower 48"! Maybe we better push for 'em to be poisoned out of the Bighorn, Madison, Platte, Lower Yellowstone, Beaverkill, Delaware River watershed,etc. to name a few.

Then let's see what the angling public thinks.....

Don't ask the fish if it is native - it doesn't know how it got there, and it ain't his fault.

BTW, how many of US are "Native American" - or should we be eliminated too? That's the only way we could "get back to the past". Then most of us would be serfs or peasants in some Eurasian place, and not be able to fish for salmon and trout because we couldn't afford it!:tsk_tsk: :hehe:


04-26-2003, 07:23 AM
Right on Bobk, agree 100%

Oh, I just thought of something, my god, I guess we will have to put the great lakes invasive species like steelhead, browns, and salmon on our fly fishing "This is getting ridiculous list". Now my likst gets longer !!!

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