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juro
03-30-2003, 07:11 PM
Well with the cuisinarts of the sea finning northward along the atlantic coast, I thought it would be a good time to take inventory of what we will have for steel leaders to thwart bluefish teeth that can be tied into a knot for 2003.

American wire has been a favorite, it's passable but far from perfect and any miscues require cutting a new end, and cutting itself requires more than a fly anglers snippers. I just buy a handful of .99 cent nail clippers and keep them in the ashtray, they rust almost as quickly as they get dull and double as grooming tools when the fish aren't biting ;)

I've heard Tyger line is another newer product, and they advertise their knot tying ability as the reason to buy. With the demand pretty high in this area and the mark-up pretty high ($7-9 for a small leader spool of American Wire) one would think this is an area manufacturers will be pursuing in the exploding coastal flyfishing market in the northeast.

Anyone see a new solution at the shows? I didn't really get to walk around much.

JDJones
03-30-2003, 08:19 PM
I have seen and played with this stuff. It is amazing! You can tie any knot, even a single overhand knot, and it will not slip. Highly recommended if you need a wire bite leader.

marketic
03-30-2003, 09:22 PM
When I was a young lad growing up on the East Coast I heard about the mythical steelhead on the opposite Coast. I read up on every bit of information I could find about these fish because I suspected that one day I would end up in the Pacific Northwest chasing them. I did and I do.

Back in the early seventies I distinctly remember reading an article about winter steelheading in Oregon. The writer said that the only way to get a fly down into a winter run steelhead's face was using wire for leader. Since reading that article I've always been intrigued about the wire concept but never tried it. Part of the reason is the quantum leap in sinking lines that have evolved since then, making wire and its “sink factor” redundant.

But the intrigue always remained stuck between my ears. Not for guarding against teeth but for slicing through the water column faster than mono, preferably on a medium sink line instead of a Kerplunk.

Here's the question: do the manufacturers make different diameters? Does the wire they produce tie into a bloodknot like mono so one may consider tapered leaders?

You salt guys know all about wire and all about the fancy knots. I'm wired for mono, have always been, but have always wanted to have a look at heavy metal just because it was there and because that article made such an impression on me.

I steered clear of wire all these years precisely because of the knot factor so any light you can shed on knot-ability and taper-ability would be appreciated. Also, if one was to consider wire for the full leader, what knot connects it to the line? Will it produce a nail-knot?

Thanks for the considerations.

striblue
03-31-2003, 12:20 AM
Juro... the Tyger wire is also a clear or silver color whereas the American wire is a brown.

juro
03-31-2003, 06:37 AM
Thanks JD, John - it sounds like I am going to try some this year.

Marketic -

The wire we mention is for the purpose of stopping cut-offs and I'm not sure it would have any benefit although one never knows.

There is also a very popular wire used by gear guys for jigging on the bottom for stripers. I wonder if that's the stuff you might experiment with? It stocked on virtually every serious striper tackle shop shelf around here. I have no experience with it except for watching the charters that use it out on Billingsgate shoal, thinking "I would never pay to do that" as they labor over those jigs off the transom.

BigDave
03-31-2003, 09:25 AM
Anyone know where you can pick up the Tyger Wire around here? I don't like the bulky knots that result from the American Wire and 40# flouro doesnt always hold up under pressure.

Thx, DS

jimS
04-01-2003, 10:26 AM
Harry Koons at Nauset Angler carries Tyger Wire. My recommendation is to use 30lb test. The 15lb won't handle gator blues.

Simms

Dble Haul
04-11-2003, 10:29 AM
I got some of the Tyger Wire and will be testing it out this spring on the pike around here....not as nasty as bluefish teeth, but not as dainty as a crappie mouth either. I'll pass on my results with the material as they happen.

I'm already impressed with the suppleness and knot tying capabilities.

DFix
04-14-2003, 09:49 AM
Just bumped it up in "Works for Me"

Dble Haul
04-27-2003, 05:57 PM
After today's experience with the Tyger Wire at the Pike Clave, I give it a full thumbs up. It's supple enough to tie loop knots (a must to get the right action from pike flies), and was barely abraded after being taken rather deeply. I used the silver color and am very happy with it.

JDJones
04-27-2003, 07:40 PM
check out this link
Flytalk III > Flyfishing Gear Reviews and Testimonials > Works for me! > Good/Cheep Wire Tested
http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2324&highlight=tiger+tail

DFix
04-28-2003, 12:01 PM
Seems from looking at the TygerWire website, several of our board sponsors are sales agents for Tyger Wire.