: Fly patterns that are not "Flies"
03-30-2003, 02:10 AM
They're out there... fly patterns that are not "Flies"...
We tie fish patterns, deer-hair mouse patterns, egg sucking leach, ants and crickets, crabs and all forms of non-fly patterns.
So how come there is no night-crawler pattern?
Or is there?
(I can just hear the pureist screaming now...)
Are there any "worm" patterns out there other than an enlongated woolie-bugger?
03-30-2003, 02:57 AM
There are several "nightcrawler" or worm patterns.
The San Juan Worm is one of the more well known.
Yeah. Tempted to attach a pink plastic 3 inch worm to a hook and lash it down, a la "fly" pattern . After the article in TSS a couple of months ago, some float fishermen are killing the steelies on the bigger rivers here in the East, using this West Coast technique AND IT WORKS HERE, TOO!
Wish I wasn't such a "purist" - I enjoy the fly rod. BUT ... I do use my Alvey reel and noodle rod on occasion - they make an EXCELLENT float rod outfit (and it costs a hell of a lot less, as well!). Those Aussies sure have some good ideas!
I have an adult seaworm pattern for stripers on the flats, a bit of a trick to prevent fouling but very effective when they are focused on the morsels. Worm hatches are a phenomenon when cinder worms swarm in the estuaries and the stripers go bonkers. The pattern is a smaller worm in this case.
03-30-2003, 11:00 AM
Please not you, "pink worms" my vision of your fly fishing purism strata has regressed.
I have no San Juan worms in any of my fly walletts.
Hal, don't you like to catch fish?????:hehe:
03-30-2003, 12:30 PM
Remember his statistics are 0-17.... maybe worse now.
03-30-2003, 01:14 PM
We have some worm patterns for searun cutts and silvers that work quite well. The Snot Dart, also more politely called the Searun Jones or Jim Dandy, is a go-to for year-round use that represents a polychaete worm. I'm working on a short-hackle, bugger type as a different version of the polychaete.
As for the pink-worm hatch on steelhead rivers, a hot pink bunny leech does a good job of imitating the plastic hatch. Tie it without wrapping the rabbit strip as hackle--although I'm not sure that it matters.
03-30-2003, 02:31 PM
Orvis sells what appears to be a nightcrawler pattern made, I think, from either crystal chennile or Ersatz.
03-30-2003, 09:10 PM
Here are a couple besides the San Juan worm.
There is a pink worm fly posted in the Salmon and Steelhead Fly Archives. :smokin:
03-30-2003, 11:52 PM
Just when you thought you knew a guy, he start's talkin about pink worm's :rolleyes:
I.... oh, whatever
velvet piping in different colors. Over on this beachfront worm patterns are sold in green, brown, pink, black, red, in approx. 3/8" dia. velvet tubing. I'd imagine the piping comes in several basic colors and the pastels would be colored with permanent markers.
Here's another idea I've used - take a white, flat lain, braid weave sneaker lace and color and rig it. Color up great and fray out really well to imitate a sand worm.
Flies are tied with so many materials these days, when does a fly quit being a "fly for fishing"? As it stands, old traditionals have been tied with fur, wool, thread, feathers and metal (ribbing). Then came plastics, with mylar, antron, polypropylene, "microfibetts", flashabou, and a whole host of others. Even more uses of metal, chain-eyes, plastic eyes, beadheads, tungsten coneheads, and I have even seen guys casting flies tied on "jigheads" (and catching fish, too. So, before we "throw the first stone", I guess we have to think long and hard about what constitutes "fly fishing" and being a "purist". I have noticed that the same guy who looks down his nose at a fly tied on a "jighead" is perfectly comfortable using a similar fly with a Tungsten Conehead version???? What gives?
If a guy fishes with a fly rod and a "pink plastic worm" on a hook, should we condemn him??? Then in the next breath OK a "San Juan worm" pattern????
I don't have the answers - just some questions.
I guess it all has to do with the idea of "sporting", and our individual and personal beliefs. After all, I think the idea of fishing is to catch fish in a legal and sporting method. Period.
If we start infighting - even with spin and bait fishermen, we will
lose what little political clout we have for stream improvement, conservation, use of our taxes, etc. and organizations like PETA will easily take control. :tsk_tsk:
03-31-2003, 01:24 PM
Here's a little worm pattern I tied with a sz. 12 37160; I don't see why it couldn't be tied in larger versions. This is simply deep red larva lace over a contrasting thread color, such as black or white.
03-31-2003, 01:25 PM
Close up of one of the worms...
04-01-2003, 12:22 AM
Now you're talkin. :D
04-01-2003, 04:42 PM
i came up with a pattern similar to yours but used mono over red thread
04-01-2003, 11:58 PM
There are a few "worm" patterns, the San Jaun worm, which is great when no other flies are working, they are one of my favorite flies!Here is a link of a San jaun worm I have tied!