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: The Streak Continues


pmflyfisher
03-21-2003, 04:42 PM
Now 0 for 17 on steelies since last March.

Lost 2 more today. One was a beast. Guy down from landed mint chrone 13 pounder

May have to try bass fishing or go back to golf.

Rio T-14 rocks, casts nice, and sinks like "Red October"

My new Show Girls showed well.

Nothing like fresh run Michigan Little Manistee strain steelheadm they are coming back.

PM Out

danimal
03-21-2003, 10:16 PM
Sorry to hear of your tough luck:hehe: I went 6 for 9 last wk below ber. dam on the last day of my layoff!:D Had to be hot orange & pink- on the bottom to wake them up! I wasn't in the wall of people below the ladder--I boated down aways to a pocket--the water level was perfect for it. Ya just might have to sharpen those hooks & get some grand max flouro. Your not wasting your time fishing mustads are you?:tsk_tsk:

BobK
03-22-2003, 11:31 AM
Yeah. Right. Maybe a new hat will change your luck. (But I thought there was at least SOME skill involved.):devil:

Oh, well, you can enjoy casting with your new gear! Maybe even work on making 'em pretty, since the fish won't bother you by making you land them!:hehe:

BobK

PS - I can't receive any e-mail - some kind of problem???? I'll work it out.

removed_by_request
03-23-2003, 12:02 AM
Probably a good hook hone would be better than a hat. Possibly some Alec Jacksons in size 3 or 5.

peter-s-c
03-23-2003, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by pmflyfisher
Now 0 for 17 on steelies since last March.

Lost 2 more today. One was a beast. Guy down from landed mint chrone 13 pounder

May have to try bass fishing or go back to golf.

PM Out

Sniff, sniff -- Do I smell the rationalization for a Sage 5126 starting to waft from this thread.

"Y'know, that last steelie broke me clean off. If only I had a better rod with me . . . ."

pmflyfisher
03-23-2003, 08:00 PM
No one was landing them except for the 70 year old farmer who totally lucked out keeping that 13 pound bullet from going around the corner and down through some submerged tree roots. Thought he was going to have a heart attack after he landed it he was so excited. Said he not caught one in over ten years due to his health he could not fish much and had to sit in a lawn chair while fishing. Go figure, this feloow was throwing a wobble glow from a lawn chair with a light spinning rod gets lucky and lands a 13 pounder !

None of the rest of us could hook more than 1 or 2 and then immediatedly lost them after a jump or few massive head shakes like mine, which decided to throw the fly up into a tree.

I did land a 4 pound sucker though.

Lots of fun met some interesting steelheaders who fished by me all day.

I think one was a GLs steelhead addict the way he talked, young guy with a float rod, silex set up, bobber fishing with spawn bags. He talked a good game any way.

I outfished him though hooked two to his one that morning. :razz:

Better get out that water is way to warm for end of march in high forties, they are going to come into some rivers do there thing and be gone quickly unless we get more cold weather soon IMHO.

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removed_by_request
03-23-2003, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by pmflyfisher


Better get out that water is way to warm for end of march in high forties, they are going to come into some rivers do there thing and be gone quickly unless we get more cold weather soon IMHO.

PM Out

The water is usually this high in March. Air temps are finally getting around to normal. Wev'e been below normal all month.

You should see fish well into April, even early May. It all really depends on rain. Since the big lake is still pretty cool they have not made that huge push near shore. Haven't see too many Coho and Browns caught on the piers. They best is still to come. I'd say the PM and Man in 2 weeks and the Mo' in 3 to 4.

Greg Pavlov
03-23-2003, 11:48 PM
No one was landing them except for the 70 year old farmer who totally lucked out keeping that 13 pound bullet from going around the corner and down through some submerged tree roots...

Back in my spinning rod days I was out on the end of a pier one night fishing for chinook along with about 20 other guys. This was 18-Mile Creek on the US side of Lake Ontario, it's channel flanked by two piers as it enters the lake. One of the things you often see out there is someone fishing with chinook with gear meant for 10" trout. This night was no exception: a college student with 8 lb test line hung on a 6 foot long buggy whip hooked into a good-sized L.O. chinook, on the order of 25 lbs or so. The fish hit on the west side of the west pier, so it had the entire damn lake to swim in, which meant that the fisherman was about to lose a mess of line and the spoon tied on the end. So what did the salmon do ? It swam along the pier until it got to the tip, made a wide swing around the end, then slowly headed a ways up the channel between the two piers before settling down for a long tug of war. It was the first chinook the kid had every caught and I'm sure he was sure he had it all figured out.

BobK
03-24-2003, 06:58 AM
What's with the comment that the 70 year old "got lucky" while fishing from a lawn chair?

It's obvious that he was skilled, and knew what he was doing. That's why HE landed the fish, not like some people I know.:hehe: :hehe:

BobK

flytyer
03-27-2003, 12:02 AM
Bob,

I don't know, after all Hal did show his superior skill in landing the 4 pound sucker. Maybe the "rod gods" are trying to tell him something.

flyfisha1
03-27-2003, 06:27 AM
You know, the way you guys carry on about steelhead fishing, I get the idea that, by never having fished for them, I must be missing out on something tremendous. I used to visit the Muskegon area in Michigan every few years to fish on the lake with relatives (living in Grand Rapids), and I'll probably try to get back up there to stay at the cottages next year for a week or so; are there any steelheads in that area during the Summer months, or am I going to be "subjected" to only fishing for smallies, panfish, and pike? I'd love to hook one of these fish!

removed_by_request
03-27-2003, 08:44 AM
There are some around, if you have a GL boat your chances rise. If you hit the Big Man. (about 90 miles away from the Mo')in July you stand a good chance of hitting a Skamania or two.

Send me a PM and I'll get you some local guide info.

BobK
03-27-2003, 02:49 PM
Creeks are FULL of 'em. I figured the steelies would turn on to sucker spawn patterns, but the suckers LOVED it. Then I changed to a leech pattern, and no change. No matter what I put on, that was all that would hit. I must have caught well over 25! Am I glad I switched to barbless hooks for everything. The steelies don't get a chance - the suckers hit everything in sight! One guy hooked a steelie briefly, but it took off downstream, and that was the end of that. That was all of the steelie action today!

BobK

John Desjardins
03-27-2003, 03:12 PM
"Darned suckers"

While we may not like to catch them I'm always glad to see suckers. I've found that they are a sign of a healthy eco system. And Hal a 4 pounder is a good sized one.

removed_by_request
03-28-2003, 07:53 AM
Probably make good dog food too!!!!:devil:

pmflyfisher
04-06-2003, 08:08 PM
It continues ,still 0 for 17 after recent trip.

A nice 5 lb red horse sucker for my efforts though, for a few seconds thought it was a chromer.

No one has touched anything for the last week at this location which is considered one of Michigan's best for steelhead. Moral, steelhead are not easy, and one feels somewhat better when they know the fish were not at the location you fished unlike other species like trout which are normally always in the same river locations.

Weather was perfect, cloudy and rain, heavy at times. Water clarity three feet at least but still low. Water temp 54 degrees, air temp 48 degrees.

Fish that were there two weeks ago had moved up stream.

I.m not giving up but this is the worst I have seen Michigan in 23 years. talked to a michigan fisherman there and he agreed. He had checked with all of his LP contacts and all rivers are still slow.

Very strange and alarming for the first week of april. In some rivers the runs are over by the first week of april.

Lake temps are still cold low fortys and upper thirties depending upon location. But the warmer river water should have brought more fish in by now. All rivers are still low, due to the low rain and snow precipitatioin the last year.

Will now get ready for trout season, tying flies, I have more than enough for any steelhead that still may show. Heck I have enought steelhead flies for the next 5 years the way my fly walletts look.

Body ached the last two days from all of the spey casting I did on Friday.

But still a nice quiet day on a GL steelhead river.

Pray to the GLs steelhead gods for the runs to appear soon.

If not get your trout equipment ready. Streamer time is upon us for the hungry brownies !

PM Out


P.S. New flies (show girls) sunk well with the Rio T-14 sinking leader I like it !

removed_by_request
04-06-2003, 10:19 PM
They will have no choice but to appear. The call to procreate will be too strong to stop them.

Actually I have seen this pattern many times the last few years. Cold lake low H2O from the sky and cold air temps. All equal to a late run.

The Indy. streams are full of them, if one iknows where to look. Also heard good stuff on the PM, once again you need to be in the right place. I think the PM's problem has to do with all the bloody foot and boat traffic. That stuff puts fish down fast.

BobK
04-07-2003, 08:17 AM
Here in NY, the lake O. tribs are suffering from the same problems. To add insult to injury, we are now trying to get over a massive ice storm last Friday. Over 200K people without power, down to 65K finally, but still all of the schools are closed. The roads and trees ar in bad shape - I have at least 3 of the neighbors trees down in MY back yard.

But I think we are just going to have a late run this year.

Here's a good one - some bright boater asked what the state could do to improve the level of the lake (Ontario) so he could launch his boat easier! Apparently he flunked either geography, or logic!

BobK

removed_by_request
04-07-2003, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by BobK
Here's a good one - some bright boater asked what the state could do to improve the level of the lake (Ontario) so he could launch his boat easier! Apparently he flunked either geography, or logic!

BobK

The answer is simple, just run a hose out there and fill her up.:hehe: :hehe:

fredaevans
04-07-2003, 12:12 PM
this weekend. Cold (high 30's/low 40's) but only an occational puff of wind/squirt of rain. Took Aaron R's (Speybum) 'Rogue test patterns' out to give them their first real run on Sat. AM.

Started with a very large 'October Caddis' pattern and trashed the water for an hour with zip to show for it. Shifted to a much smaller caddis (almost looks like a woven perriwinkle, bead head, 'ruff' coller on a heavy short shank hook). In something like the next ten casts I had three fish. Two beached and released the third still has Aaron's fly firmly embedded in its jaw.

Desided to change locations (just across the river/tad up stream from where I was fishing and went back to a much smaller version of the first fly done on a single hook. Two more in just a few casts; beached and released. No beach here so the 'releasing part' with a 14' spey rod was a pain in the fanny. Hit one or two more fish that came un-pinned which surprised me.

Anyway, point is if you can get your hands on some of Aaron's flys the buggers are really effective .... and minor works of art.
fae

pmflyfisher
04-07-2003, 01:23 PM
A friend is up in the Michigan LP gods steelhead country this week. I will have a very good truthful report by the end of the week.

I have been up there in this type of weather and it is not pleasant. The fish that are there are hiding under the wood and cut banks.

We will see.

PM Out

Pat Bahan
04-07-2003, 02:04 PM
Kind of reminds me of a good story titled "Pickeral as Gothic Cathedral". Maybe we could rework the story enough to avoid copyright infringements and have a new flyfishing literary classic: Lets see "Red Sucker as Gothic Cathedral"? Naw-- How about: "Red Suckers of Notre Dame"?
"As the last light of day played across the spires of Notre Dame University, Hal gently flipped his favorite Red Sucker patern out one last time ...":rolleyes:

pmflyfisher
04-07-2003, 04:14 PM
Pat

I like it the "Red Horse Suckers of Notre Dame" theme, you can actually fish the river in South Bend and see the ND spires. FYI, two of my sons were born at South Bend Memorial Hospital right by the river and close to ND campus.

PM Out

Pat Bahan
04-07-2003, 04:57 PM
Sorry Hal I just have to ask. Were you at the hospital or on the river?:smokin:

pmflyfisher
04-07-2003, 06:59 PM
When my two sons were born in South Bend in 1981 and 1983 the river did not have steelhead and salmon coming up that far, only as far as the Bucanhan, Michigan dam. If they were I would have been fishing since there is some great water at Leeper Park with spawning gravel. Walking the river then I thought it would be good, but at that time there was only smallmouth to catch and lots of them.

Had it all to myself back then. Not another fisherman to be seen.

An old south bend retired fellow told me where and when to go.

PM Out

removed_by_request
04-07-2003, 07:23 PM
I know of 2 parties that were just on the PM. one over last weekend and the other 2 guys on Tuesday.

Weekend guys hit good fish each day, friends that went up tuesday saw fish but they had lockjaw, due to traffic.

Both reports as good as they come. Indy. streams are full of them, if you know where to go.

Pat Bahan
04-07-2003, 10:48 PM
Yup, I know those gravels. Thats where I cut my steelie teeth.:D

pmflyfisher
04-15-2003, 09:39 AM
0 for 21

Wow but was that fun.

New fly is rocking them.

John D. - Two 5 pound red horse suckers landed.

Four big chromers tore me up though in the high flows and warm water temps.

God I love this sport. Glad I was a basball player and know all about hitting slumps.

Worst slump in my steelheading career, last one was 20 years ago an 0 for 14.

I have full confidence it will be over soon, if not it will be a great challenge to break the streak, I love big challenges.

Its not my knots or hooks.

PM Out

John Desjardins
04-15-2003, 10:42 AM
Hal, having been through a couple of streaks like yours all I can say is keep trying. Eventually you break them, and each fish feels sweeter for the experience.

fredaevans
04-15-2003, 11:34 AM
"Little Birdie" told me the fish were hooked on a GL 'version' of the Rogue "Otis Bug." Naaaaaa, had to be something more exciting than that?
:smokin:

Well, the one good thing Hal, is at least you got into fish. Lastest count puts our winter runs at over 20,000 now ... and I couldn't buy a strike on Sat. AM.
fae

pmflyfisher
04-15-2003, 11:37 AM
John,

Thanks for the encouragement, I am just glad I don't have any on stream witnesses that know me, and who would be doing you know what to me. My ego could not stand that and besides it would break my high GLs steelheader trance in the pursuit of more silver streaks.

LOL

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removed_by_request
04-15-2003, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by pmflyfisher
0 for 21

Its not my knots or hooks.

PM Out

If its not your hooks or knots what could it be?? Odd set of circumstances, at least your sucker numbers are high.

pmflyfisher
04-15-2003, 02:04 PM
I feel a fever coming on and a sick day very soon. I will be back at them soon. I never give up.

PM Out

John Desjardins
04-15-2003, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by pmflyfisher
I feel a fever coming on and a sick day very soon. I will be back at them soon. I never give up.

PM Out

Now that you mention it spring skip day in Massachussetts (AKA Patriots day ) is next monday. :hehe: :hehe:

removed_by_request
04-15-2003, 02:37 PM
We call it a "mental health day".

A time to heal your mind and get it back in order.

flytyer
04-16-2003, 12:00 AM
Sounds like you guys are coming down with one of the more virulent forms of Mykiss flu that Kush has warned us about in the salmon and steelhead fly forum. Be careful since Kush says it is at its worst during mid to late April, expecially mid-week I hear. Come to think of it, I think I feel a case coming on now that should be full blown by Thursday necessitating a day off to nurse myself back to health.

BobK
04-16-2003, 02:15 PM
Maybe, just maybe, Hal is trying too hard. You know, striking before the fish has a chance to turn, etc. Or maybe too late, as the fish is spitting it out. Either way will result in poor hook-ups, and the same result. When you start on a run of losing fish, it gets like "buck fever", and you get so "trigger happy" that you strike too hard at the first sign of a fish - and goes downhill from there. I know - been there, done that!

A sure cure is to tie some flies on circle hooks (I believe Mustad makes some), and don't strike - they hook themselves in the corner of the mouth.

I dunno - just trying to help.

Oh, well, there is an upside - at least his hands don't stink like fish!:rolleyes:

BobK

pmflyfisher
04-16-2003, 02:33 PM
Bobk

I had lots of sucker slime on my hands for sure.

I am beginning to like those things.

Don't worry the streak will end soon, and I will for sure release the steelhead. I will try and get a picture of it to prove to every one the streak is broken but cannot guarantee it if it appears I will injure the fish.

Circle hooks I am not sure of yet for fly fishing, bait fishing yes but I am not confident in them for steelhead or salmon yet.

Lipripper has tried them I know.

PM Out

removed_by_request
04-16-2003, 02:42 PM
I wonder what MS would do to fix this... write another book on the GL's???

At least you are hooking them, some guys can't do that.

pmflyfisher
05-01-2003, 01:44 PM
Thank god, I was beginning to think about trying a different sport.

I knew my luck was going to change after missing that lead white tail deer on Sunday morning on the way to the clave, but the second one hit my passengar door. If I had hit the lead deer in the front of the car it could have been deadly when going 65 MPH.

Here is a link to the web shots page of some of the pictures taken on the Michigan steelhead trip this week. Did the Spey
Clave on sunday fished the Muskegon a little bit. Then Monday through Wednesday did the Pere Marquette, Little Manistee, Big Manistee, Pine, Baldwin, and White rivers.

Great trip hit the steelhead pretty good and the scenery and tranquility of the Manistee National Forest was unsurpassed.

God I love this sport of steelhead fly fishing !

Hit them really good Wednesday morning it was one of those days with over ten hookups and landed three in difficult river situations. One of those steelhead days you will always remember. Had several others almost landed but they won at the last moment. Some tremendous fights and jumps etc. The St. Croix spey rod got a good work out. Some old and new flies worked.

All were wild fish and released

Here are the pictures.

http://community.webshots.com/scripts/editPhotos.fcgi?action=viewall&albumID=71533077

John Desjardins
05-01-2003, 02:18 PM
Hal the link doesn't work.

BigDave
05-01-2003, 02:42 PM
Hal..way to go. Most of my steelhead experiences have been feast or famine. Glad you finally got to touch one of them!

Bob - I saw that the SR is back to reasonable flows. How is the fishing right now?

Dave

Pat Bahan
05-01-2003, 03:47 PM
link won't let me in. says I ain't the owner of this site.
( I knew that! ):eyecrazy:

BobK
05-01-2003, 07:30 PM
Haven't been back to the Salmon - fishing is decent (not great) in western tribs... but coming to an end. Was out Friday, and got 3 running 4 to 7 lbs. (also lots of suckers, and a 6 lb. CARP on a fly, of all things!). Pool below me was where I should have been - a couple of guys hooked HUGE fish which came out of the water several times, but lost one on jumps, and the other was foul-hooked, so broken off. Not the same fish - one was very dark, the other was bright and fresh looking. They looked like 13 to 15 lb. fish.

I'll now concentrate on smaller tribs where there are stream trout, too, and nymph fish - but every once in a while, you snag bottom... then, after a second, the bottom starts to move, and you hang on!

But at least "our hero" landed some fish. Hopefully we can get some peace and quiet now.:devil:

BobK

pmflyfisher
05-01-2003, 10:06 PM
Oops sorry I am still exhausted from the trip long days (5 AM until 9 PM) chasing steelhead, long walks through national forest hills and wading swift rivers, tough work as you get older.

But as we all know it is great fun being in the outdoors especially when the steelhead gods bless you with memorable fishing.

Here is how to access the album.

1. Use this link

http://community.webshots.com/

2. Go to "Find a member" search towards the bottom of the Community page.

Enter: eckhal@attbi.com

3. Search Results"

Click on Eckhal100

4. Will bring you to "Michigan Steelhead Trip - 2003 photo album.


Hal

fredaevans
05-01-2003, 10:18 PM
Glad you finally lost 'your virginity.'
:D

fae

SparseHairHackl
05-01-2003, 10:36 PM
Enjoyed the tour, Hal!

Congrats. I finally ended my streak of fishingless weeks on April 17 at 27--over half a year! Now if I can just get back out and get the feeling you had recently...

--Bill

John Desjardins
05-02-2003, 08:16 AM
Nice pics Hal.

BobK
05-02-2003, 11:01 AM
What about the other pics?? You know, the ones of bambi stretched out on the edge of the pavement???:hehe: :hehe:

Seriously, nice pics and kudos to Hal.

BobK

pmflyfisher
05-03-2003, 08:35 AM
Bobk

Bambi hitting the Trail Blazer is going to cost me $ 500 my deductible. Car goes into tomorrow to have the drivers side door fixed. I have the mental picture of the two bambis bolting across the highway in front of me (20-30 yards away) while I was doing 65-70 mph at 6:00 am in Michigan farm country.

Due to my evasive driving skills I managed to swerve and stop on shoulder missing the first lead white tail. Then heard the big thud to my car, and said oh XXXX. Got out and looked for damage in early morning light at first did not see any. But then saw dent in the door.

I thanked god for allowing me to evade the first deer. If I had hit that one it would have been a frontal hit and it could have flipped up on to the hood into the wind shield, which can be deadly.

First time almost 40 years of early morning and night driving through deer country that I have been hit, actually no other close calls either.

Have to look into the silent animal whistles you can place on your bumper to alert them that something is coming and which may help to scare them away from the road.

There is no reaction time when they bolt across that close and you are doing the highway speed limit which was 70 mph.

I guess I was just due for one of these which turned out lucky for me, could have been a lot worse. Just what I needed to help break The Streak.

PM Out

BobK
05-03-2003, 11:43 AM
"It ran right into me." Sure.

Hal had a spear lashed to his car fender and bumper. Also, the wheel wells are packed with mud. He likes to travel the back roads in Michigan at dawn and dusk. Sounds fishy to me! :hehe:

Was that venison steak tasty? How much per pound did it work out to be?:chuckle: :chuckle:

BobK:devil:

pmflyfisher
05-04-2003, 07:34 PM
Bobk

Explain how that deer did this to my car and then ran away and I assume survived ? Can't see how it did not dent that middle bar on the trail blazer door. I think it hit me back end first since I had white hairs on the door, think it tried to stop and slide into car door below that bar.

I could use that $ 500 deductible for Ms. 5120, now I have to wait longer for her. :D

Yes she it was sweet casting her at the clave. Some day the relationship will be permanent.

Shoot me your home address it its not non public personal information need to send you some steelie flys, I have way to many even after this weeks trip. Maybe I lost 10-15 flys, still have a few thousand in reserves. I tied up another 24 today of new deep egg patterns, that has proven itself this year.

I figure I can give some to you since it is not likely I will be following down a Michigan river any time soon with you using my secret flies.

:chuckle:

PM Out

removed_by_request
05-05-2003, 09:07 PM
It's called dent doctors at $75 to $100 to fix.

Pat Bahan
05-06-2003, 05:32 PM
I thought it was just a new addition to his dogfood program.:rolleyes: