03-17-2003, 06:09 PM
what streamers do you guys like to use for trout? i rarely use streamers. i caught my first trout on a streamer on sunday. ( a ten inch female brookie on a BH muddler) i have had a few hits on streamers and chasers but that was the first caught.i now how to tie the bugger muddler mickey finn and a few others if so and the recipe and a pic if possible and are willing to share some of your favorite streamer patterns
The golden darter is my favorite pure streamer pattern for the NE. It imitates the black nosed dace which are so prevelant in NE waters. Also it is very easy to tie which is important to me. Second would have to be the muddler but a pain to tie.
03-18-2003, 10:04 AM
Effective and easy to tie, in no particular order....
Yeah, there's a Maine landlocked salmon influence with a few of those. :)
03-18-2003, 04:18 PM
i've never heard of the nine three ican tie all the others if i had the materials and i have heard of the supervisor but have never seen it
03-18-2003, 04:28 PM
All of those are good. Nine Three and Supervisor are old classic patterns along with Grey and Black Ghost. You can find them on the internet do a search.
Still have night mares about the beast of a rainbow I lost on the Big Delaware 40 years ago on a Grey Ghost. :confused: Had my little 6 weight, it about an 8 lb river rainbow that fought like a steelhead. I had no backing and was chasing it down the river as darkness fell. Still remember the parting jump to this day.
Don't forget muddler minnows and simple white and black marabou streamers for trout in small sizes.
03-18-2003, 04:33 PM
i will be heading back east again this summer because i didn't get a job that i applied for so i have to find one i can quit come summer i'll also have my lisence so i will be heading to those other rivers in the area maybe i'll go back to roscoe again
03-18-2003, 04:38 PM
Roscoe the home of the fly fishing only no kill trout waters.
BobK is also going back for a pilgrimmage this year he says.
I'm jealous, let us know how you do if you go.
Hal's right about using an Internet search. Fly Anglers Online has one version in their 'old flies' archive; 'Forgotten Flies' (Schmookler&Sils) has something slightly different, etc. Perhaps a search of 'rangeley streamers', b'cuz you're gonna end up sitting, reading the computer, mesmerized by all the neat historical info you find :smokin:
03-18-2003, 04:43 PM
Right on, actually I hate to do those type of internet searches, it gets me thinking I need to tie more flies. They are now falling out of my fly wallets and boxes, their is no room left anywheres.
It is a sickness for sure and which I know not the cure after 43 years !
03-18-2003, 04:44 PM
i am going to make a binder of all of the fly patterns that i know and get off of the internet do any of you do this
03-18-2003, 04:49 PM
Why make the binder ? you can always just go get them again when needed from the net. Plus they may be updated.
Actually, I question why I buy fly pattern and fly tying instruction books any more with everything that is available on the net for
Thats my .02 cents
03-18-2003, 05:02 PM
if the binder is organized it would be faster than going on the internet and i don't have the internet at home i have to go tho the library
03-18-2003, 05:11 PM
I hardly use paper anymore just the net.
03-18-2003, 09:15 PM
I get loads of great info from the net. However, the main probem with relying on the net is that things change constantly and you may not be able to find the same thing in the same place from one day to the next. Even when you put a page in your "favorites" it may not be there the next time you look for it. One option is to save the pages that you really like onto your hard drive -- click "File", "save as" and save the page as an htm or html document in a folder that you will remember. An added bonus is that you can then access those pages offline so you don't tie up your phone line or use up time on your account (if those things matter to you).
03-18-2003, 09:17 PM
Q, those are some good observations and great advice.
Hal, I love taking time to look-and-see what so many others' interests are, or were; to find 'new' information and ideas, or be 'reminded' of long forgotten memories. Rambling through the Internet not only helps educate and amuse me, but also energizes me to at least think about how I can improve my skills, if not make me want to tie everything I've never tied or fished, fish every body of water I've never seen or only heard about, just like you. I don't think many of us are very different.
You openly wonder why you spend money on paper research items. My own reasons struck me as an older, generational thing that the Internet may never supersede. I have always enjoyed books, manuals, magazines and such for their hands-on value, their ability to fill my hands and mind both. As we progress day to day we are hustled along by "progress", by development of new electronic ways to research, to study, to 'better' our lives; sometimes, we don't want to be pushed. Arguably, I agree with the General Electric slogan, "Progress is our most important product"; it's great in too many ways to mention here, but I very often wish for what we somewhat weathered, slightly older types would call a 'simpler' time. In that regard, I will always enjoy a book more for it's art and pictures, inflections and cadence, as well as it's ability to put me down in one place and make me pay attention to it, to relax and enjoy it.
In a recent communique' with a newer member of this assembly, I proffered a sense as to my scope of educational reference, whether historical, anecdotal or first-person. That scope of educational reference spans an almost one and one-half century block of people's lives. I wish I'd paid more attention to what they offered; I wish I'd practiced more of what I'd been taught. Further, that I often looked forward to the distractions the Internet and places like FFF afford, as they give me (perhaps all of us) an opportunity to 'divert' from the daily grind. Regardless, I still like to and tend to sink back into a less electronic means of communication, education and relaxation. Stranger still, I don't even remotely rely on my 'ancient' computer programming training to try and understand where computer technology's gone in twenty years; I wonder if I would even understand it.
Quentin's points are very well taken; I've done so myself. But, what I've accomplished by copying something from the 'net is to be able to use/enjoy it when I want to instead of when there's "time" - same thing, you ask; not to me.
Like you, I've been at this for well over forty years. I am not, by any means, an authority on anything. Your scope of reference, generationally, is probably as broad as my own and so many others of us. I would love to know all that you or Fred or any of the others know about salmon or steelhead fishing. I'd love to be able to step back in time to Zane Grey, Hemingway, Carrie Stevens, Herb Welch, for instance, to have watched and listened to; to my own family's five generations I remember as alive and in the same room at one time, so I could ask to be taught all of it again. I'm happy and grateful I hands-on learned to rig baits from some old leathery 'salts'. As much time as I'd spent on the water as a kid, had I not put to sea as an adult, I wouldn't have appreciated or respected the true strength or mercilessness of Mother Nature.
Those are some of the ways I'm reminded of how we arrived where we are. I guess it can be summed up this way: when I was younger, I couldn't stand the Beatles; as I've aged, I've learned to appreciate and enjoy them as well as realize their music is part of my life.
IMO, technology would be an empty evolution without any tip of the hat to the history which precedes it. I hope to learn much more; I hope to be able to teach some of what I have learned before I check out.
Though I'm glad I had the time to put this together; I've enjoyed thinking about it more. When I go home and sit down with feathers and thread, a crackling fire at my back, I'll remember to thank you all, too.
03-19-2003, 01:13 PM
DFix - I can relate completely with what you're saying, though you have a few years on me. Without some reference on which to base progress, how can it be appreciated? I suspect that you and I are alike in many ways; longing for simpler times and less media distraction. The internet is unquestionably the gateway to a wealth of knowledge, both that printed on paper and existing purely in the minds of the authors, and I use it daily in my job and at home to communicate with friends, family, and others such as the great bunch on the FFF. However (and maybe I'm some sort of generational throw-back), I much prefer to sit back in my antique leather chair with a good book in hand (some of my favorites are by John Merwin), dog(s) sleeping by my feet, Guinness or home brew on the end table, with nothing to focus on but the words on the page and the mental images that I relate them with. No moving images, no pop-up ads, just the pages and the information presented there. Is it any wonder that I nearly never watch TV or listen to the radio anymore? I hear enough about world news every morning at the office... The internet is a great resource, but my collection of books will never cease to grow. Is it wasted money? No, not to me. It's all in the perspective.
03-19-2003, 03:23 PM
I just found an awesome technical fly fishing research article on the net, might keep it to myself for a while, you know to keep ahead of these internet young fly fishing guns, so us older guys like me have a knowledge advantage. Can't believe they are giving away this great information for nothing on the net.
I just surfed into by pure luck.
Don't get the wrong idea I still cherish my historical fly fishing books, actually got some nice old fly patterns from them this
"Knowledge itself is power" - Francis Bacon - 1600 something.
03-19-2003, 04:48 PM
where do you get these qoutes hal?
back on the topic of streamers which would yo say that you use the most for me it would be either a muddler or bugger
03-19-2003, 04:50 PM
Hal are you going to the Bass pro spring classic?
Yeah, it sure is. Some of us even know how to keep 'em hooked so we can LAND 'em, too! That's the essence of fishing, in case you haven't heard!:hehe: :hehe: :devil:
03-22-2003, 09:33 PM
Wow missed a good thread here.
Sean, my favorites, in no specific order are:
Black nosed dace
The wooly bugger is great for spots where a flys half half life is measured in minutes.
The black nosed dace matches the forage fish in many streams I fish.
Muddler minnows I just like to fish. Having confidence in a fly means a lot.
The maribou streamer is another simple fly . White, black or the black nosed dace colors are good. Don't be afraid to try your own combinations to match the local forage fish.
A fly I have high expections for this year is one submitted by PMFlyFisher in the simple but deadly fly swap. The fly is at http://www.flyfishingforum.com/flytalk3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9624&highlight=simple+but+deadly
03-22-2003, 09:43 PM
Double posted message deleted.
03-24-2003, 04:33 PM
how did you double that post they are ten minutes apart too :confused:
03-24-2003, 04:41 PM
Sean, it takes skill to screwup that well. :hehe: ;)
03-24-2003, 06:10 PM
Just tie some marabou on a hook with some tinsel on the shank.
White and black is all I needed, as a kid 40 years ago, now you have more colors to choose from.
Keep it simple, black or white will work.